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Hi. Welcome to Surf's Up.
Audio commentary.

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I will be your guide...

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...through this wonderful presentation
of Surf's Up.

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I'm Chris Buck, one of the directors.

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Ash Brannon, another director.

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And I'm Chris Jenkins
and I make the coffee.

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And it's good coffee too.

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Not that crystal stuff.

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And he's the producer, okay,
here we go.

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Hey, look at that logo, guys.

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We came up with the logo
just for Surf's Up.

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Here we are.

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Okay.

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Interesting thing about this one
was that...

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...this was the last scene created
and the first scene in the movie.

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But the movie originally started
with the sequences coming up...

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...which was what we call
the legend sequence, right?

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And, Ash, you boarded the whole bit...
The sort of history of surfing.

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- Yeah.
- We thought that we needed Cody.

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Cody to introduce it and get to know
Cody a little bit more before...

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Yeah, it was originally
a disembodied voice.

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You didn't know who it was.

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Okay, everybody wants to know...

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...why a documentary, right, guys?

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Why do an animated documentary?

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Lots of reasons.

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First of all, surf videos are actually
made that way.

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And we thought it would be cool...

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...to do the subject of Surf's Up
as a surf documentary.

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Well, there was originally
a storyline, right?

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When Chris Jenkins was on this
about four and a half years ago.

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It was 48 years ago, actually.

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It was a comedy based
on Romeo and Juliet.

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Yes, it was, Ash Brannon.
Thank you.

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And they were racing cars...

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...and they were wearing clothes
and all that, right?

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Yeah, and they were dressed
as policemen...

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...and they were falling off cliffs
and dying and...

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- Isn't really a comedy.
- Okay.

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- And how did it become this, Chris?
- It became this...

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It became this when, you know...

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...l'm kind of looking at the idea
of doing a surf movie.

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And looking at the prevalence
for surf docs...

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...movies to be done
as documentaries.

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Or for the whole reality TV thing
to be realized in animation.

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- Did that make sense?
- Yeah, kind of. In a Welsh kind of way.

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And the storyline was designed
to work as a documentary.

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We had to imagine that there was a kid
we heard about who's up and coming.

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We decided to send a crew
down there and follow him...

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...as he went to his first contest.

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And then follow him.

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Yeah, and be able to just put
a camera...

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Not a camera. What do they call
the things where you...?

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- Like a microphone.
- Microphone, yeah.

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Like that thing in front of you
right now.

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But it's interesting, we had rules.

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Like, we never saw
the documentarians. We never...

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No, people really wanted to know
who the documentarians are.

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- What species.
- Yeah.

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And we felt that if we did that...

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...then we would really be winking
at the audience...

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...in a particular way, you know?

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It would be more...

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I suppose, more mockumentary
in that way...

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...than we wanted it to be.

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And the thing, I think,
that fascinated me was that...

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...we could get inside
an animated character's head.

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Via the interviews, you can find out
what these guys were thinking...

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...and what they just thought
about the scene that we just shot.

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I don't know. It's something
that we'd never done before...

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...in other animated movies.

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There was a lot of things going on,
the idea that in this day and age...

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...everybody seems to have an opinion
or reaction to a camera...

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...being put in their face and they have
an opinion about something.

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Maybe they're hiding things.

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Maybe they wanna use it
as a confessional.

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And it just felt it was the right time
to take an animated feature...

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And it just felt it was the right time
to take an animated feature...

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...and really follow the inner life
of these characters on the screen.

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Well, people are fascinated
by the documentary and reality TV.

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I mean, I know that's what we watch
at home.

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There's so many of those shows
who love it.

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I mean, a lot of times, it's what,
you know...

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...it's what the camera catches
that they weren't supposed to catch...

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...that everybody loves.

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Or the thing that somebody
said that, you know...

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...they didn't really mean to say this
or whatever...

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...but it's very telling.

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The-camera-doesn't-lie
kind of thing, so...

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- We planned in a kind of spontaneity.
- It's fun.

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Planned spontaneity.

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Planned these things, like the camera
would stay on a character...

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...after they'd finished saying
what they were gonna say.

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And their reaction, then,
after their last sentence...

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...was more telling
than what they were trained to tell you.

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And it wasn't easy
the whole way through.

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There are a lot of rules we set up
for ourselves.

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And it was tough
between the camera work...

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...where the camera could be.

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The type of questions
that we would ask these guys.

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When the character's
aware of the camera or not.

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These are rules,
set of rules that we had.

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Once in a while, we'd break them.

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And we can talk about those
as we go through this but...

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It's kind of
the whole documentary thing.

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Remember, we had lots of talk about,
you know...

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...where the camera crew
is coming from...

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...and how did they get there.

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All the kinds of things
that quite honestly in the end...

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- Nobody thinks about.
- Yeah.

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He can't help it.
That's just the way he is.

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It was important
when we started the movie...

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...we knew it was a surf movie,
but the surfing is really a metaphor.

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And we didn't want the film just to be
about surfing per se.

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And we came across an article...

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...by some guys named
the Malloy brothers.

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They said something interesting.

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They said, "A lot of surf movies
don't get it right.

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They think it's all about just riding
the waves.

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And it's really about life
and the way you live it."

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And we just really fell in love
with that concept.

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Being one with the wave
and with life...

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And that's how we, you know,
faced the production every day.

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We came in
to have a good time every day.

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- Not gonna touch you.
- Do you see this?

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- Don't. Please?
- I'm not.

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Well, now, Shiverpool's...

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...kind of inspired
by an Errol Morris film...

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...he did one about a
town in Florida...

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...where nothing happens.

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This is where, again,
we play with... This whole sequence...

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...we play with the whole
documentary feel.

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Like you're saying,
that's an Errol Morris film.

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The cutting that we did,
we kept moving things around.

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And then the interviews.

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Yeah, our editor lvan Bilancio
kind of took all these moments...

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Yeah, our editor lvan Bilancio
kind of took all these moments...

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...as if he had coverage.

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And just found an entertaining way
to intercut them.

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Kind of a proof of concept,
this whole sequence, in a way.

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Right, I remember this is one
of the first ones.

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And it was really interesting how...

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...when Errol came in
to take a look at the stuff...

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...and we were calling it
a mockumentary...

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...he said, "It's not a mockumentary.
It's a documentary."

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- Right.
- Because we don't nod to the camera.

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Right.

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Yeah, that was important to us,
to keep the tongue out of the cheek.

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And have these characters believe
who they were.

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And you get the humor
out of the seriousness of that.

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Right.

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But this kind of performance too,
all this improv...

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...all these multiple cast recording,
this was pretty new.

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I mean, it sounds strange to say it...

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...but this was a new technique
for animation.

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Because in animated movies...

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...usually we have the actors
by themselves.

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And we get a very clean recording...

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...and then you can cut
everybody together.

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The problem with that is that,
you get a very...

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You can get
a very sterile performance.

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And they don't always feel like
they're in the same room together.

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Or that they're actually relating
to the other character.

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Biggest challenge for an editor...

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...is to cut a natural performance
from a bunch of different sessions.

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And they said, "Well, let's skip
all that. Let's encourage...

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Get them in together,
have them overlap...

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...have them, you know, of course,
work off the script...

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...but turn the pages over and see...

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...and just let it, kind of,
go on its own and wing it."

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We told all the actors
we're gonna do this at the outset.

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- And they were all excited.
- Right.

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And they were all really good at it.

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Not all actors can pull that off.

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James Woods, of course.

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We have so much recording
of James...

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...that in the end, we were
unable to use for all sorts of reasons.

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It was a heart thing, you know?
Can we just take five minutes?

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We couldn't have written
some of the stuff the way... You know?

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So we try to replicate
as much as possible...

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...the conditions
on the recording stage.

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So the actors could even get out
from behind the podium...

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...and move around
and act things out.

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And we had a guy with a boom,
following them on occasion.

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And I just freed them up
to get more physical with everything...

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...and make it real.

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I remember many times, you guys
would pick up a video camera.

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And really be in... Quite intrusive
with the camera like you were there.

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That's right. We did that to Jeff.
That's right.

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And you really did throw
something at us.

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How's your head, by the way, there?

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Sal Masekela,
the real voice of the X Games.

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This all worked...
I forgot how this happened.

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But we came up with the idea that...

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...if we had
this fake sports network...

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...we could just get a lot of information
out in short order.

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And then coincidentally,
Sal dropped by the studio...

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...through Quicksilver
and was a perfect match.

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Over lunch, I think,
we had an accidental lunch...

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Yeah, we just talked about it,
how we could use him in the movie.

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And same with Kelly.

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Yeah, they did their scenes together.
We had Kelly, Rob and...

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- Yeah, all three.
- And Sal.

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They weren't originally a part of...
Kelly and Rob...

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...weren't originally in the movie.
They were on as consultants.

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To help us get the waves right
and the surf culture right.

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- Right.
- But it turned out to be really good.

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The twisted Tank.

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Diedrich.

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You never want to get in there
and help them out...

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He is the biggest character
in the movie.

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A big personality
and the nicest guy.

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He's a really great guy to work with.

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But Tank, you know, we tried
to just find something...

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...a little bit different for him,
so he wasn't the same old villain.

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And I think we came up
with something very unique for him.

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Yeah.

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We always said he was like
a cross between...

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...John McEnroe and a forklift truck.

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...John McEnroe and a forklift truck.

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Mikey Abromowitz played
by Mario Cantone...

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...is anything but the typical surfer.

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He's sort of a... He's sort of a...

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We refer to him
as an office gopher...

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...which got very confusing because
he's really a sandpiper.

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And he's the kind of guy,
originally, anyway...

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We were thinking of
the kind of guy...

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...that really didn't wanna get
his feet wet with his boss.

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So the sandpiper's interesting...

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...because they never really seem
to get their feet wet...

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...when they're fishing for...

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Yup, and he's a talent scout
that doesn't surf.

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00:10:44,377 --> 00:10:47,175
A surfing talent scout.

234
00:10:49,483 --> 00:10:53,112
But Mario gave him a great edge.

235
00:10:53,286 --> 00:10:58,451
This guy has done this way too much.
Nothing fazes him.

236
00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:03,957
Ash, you brought up Mario
from a one-man show.

237
00:11:04,131 --> 00:11:07,328
Oh, yeah, my wife and I saw him
in his last show in Broadway.

238
00:11:07,501 --> 00:11:09,992
His one-man comedy show.

239
00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:12,434
And a few months later,
we're trying to figure out...

240
00:11:12,606 --> 00:11:15,666
...who would do the voice
and popped in the head.

241
00:11:16,109 --> 00:11:17,838
- Great.
- He's a huge animation fan.

242
00:11:18,011 --> 00:11:20,479
He knew more about animation
than we did.

243
00:11:21,214 --> 00:11:25,048
Jon Heder knows about animation.
Jon Heder, Chicken Joe.

244
00:11:27,554 --> 00:11:29,954
Now, this was added late.

245
00:11:30,123 --> 00:11:32,683
But it was about...

246
00:11:32,993 --> 00:11:35,894
...showing what Cody really wanted,
you know?

247
00:11:36,062 --> 00:11:37,552
It's not about winning
the competition.

248
00:11:37,731 --> 00:11:40,029
He just wants somebody
to be there for him.

249
00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,193
And he clearly doesn't have it
in his hometown.

250
00:11:44,371 --> 00:11:45,861
You know, I think it was also added...

251
00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:48,872
...so that he would have a chance
with mom.

252
00:11:49,042 --> 00:11:50,669
Because originally,
it wasn't in there...

253
00:11:50,844 --> 00:11:54,974
...so he would just go from the fish pile
to the water, to the whale.

254
00:11:55,148 --> 00:11:57,708
- He's gone. He never says goodbye.
- He didn't get to say goodbye.

255
00:11:57,884 --> 00:11:58,942
To his family.

256
00:11:59,119 --> 00:12:01,212
And this was his chance
to say goodbye...

257
00:12:01,388 --> 00:12:04,255
...but mom, still,
is not really interested, so...

258
00:12:04,424 --> 00:12:06,415
It seemed to help his character
a little bit better.

259
00:12:06,593 --> 00:12:08,895
Well, I think it re-injects that pathos
that you have for this young kid...

260
00:12:08,895 --> 00:12:10,658
Well, I think it re-injects that pathos
that you have for this young kid...

261
00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:13,731
...that just has a passion
right from the beginning.

262
00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:15,925
Lets you know what he really wants,
what's important.

263
00:12:16,102 --> 00:12:18,593
- And how no one understands him.
- Yeah.

264
00:12:22,209 --> 00:12:26,168
I gotta thank my wife, Nicole,
for that toucan line.

265
00:12:26,446 --> 00:12:29,813
She had a handle on who Mike was.

266
00:12:33,853 --> 00:12:36,344
Can't this blubber ball go any faster?
Step on it, fish sticks!

267
00:12:37,290 --> 00:12:39,155
Bunch of other surfers up there
on the whale.

268
00:12:39,326 --> 00:12:43,126
They were gonna be bigger characters
initially. We have an Aussie up there.

269
00:12:43,296 --> 00:12:45,821
Japanese surfer.

270
00:12:46,633 --> 00:12:49,033
- Brazilian.
- Brazilian, yeah.

271
00:12:49,369 --> 00:12:51,701
There's so much material
that you discover...

272
00:12:51,871 --> 00:12:53,395
...when you create a movie like this.

273
00:12:53,573 --> 00:12:56,940
Particularly, I think, as a documentary
or reality show.

274
00:12:57,110 --> 00:12:58,737
You can really get
into these characters.

275
00:12:58,912 --> 00:13:00,470
And then, at the end of the day...

276
00:13:00,647 --> 00:13:03,081
...you realize, well, you got 80 minutes
and a story to tell.

277
00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:09,553
So there were a lot of casualties
simply from the point of view...

278
00:13:10,090 --> 00:13:14,049
...of not having enough time
to get into all those back-stories.

279
00:13:14,227 --> 00:13:17,162
- Casualties.
- Casualties.

280
00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:19,193
It sounds painful.

281
00:13:19,366 --> 00:13:21,300
The whole idea of Cody
chasing this whale...

282
00:13:21,468 --> 00:13:25,165
...was inspired by surfers...

283
00:13:25,338 --> 00:13:29,069
...who ride the wakes of oil tankers,
I think, in the Gulf of Mexico.

284
00:13:29,242 --> 00:13:30,231
- Yeah.
- Yeah.

285
00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:31,502
Yup.

286
00:13:32,646 --> 00:13:35,012
They had a hard time getting
these two together too.

287
00:13:35,181 --> 00:13:38,548
We had to get Joe and Cody
get an introduction...

288
00:13:38,718 --> 00:13:42,279
...before we get to the next sequence
of Pen Gu where the just takes off, so...

289
00:13:42,455 --> 00:13:46,050
Yeah, they needed a quick moment
to bond.

290
00:13:46,226 --> 00:13:47,818
Deeply enough that you could buy...

291
00:13:47,994 --> 00:13:50,155
...that Joe would spend
the next several days...

292
00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:52,423
...going to find Cody
as he's lost in the jungle.

293
00:13:53,333 --> 00:13:55,494
Joe, kind of...
We always had that character.

294
00:13:55,669 --> 00:13:59,605
He was gonna be that guy that,
you know, nothing fazed him.

295
00:13:59,773 --> 00:14:02,241
But we did have. We went down
the road where he got a little.

296
00:14:02,409 --> 00:14:04,877
You know, he'd get angry sometimes
or this or that...

297
00:14:05,045 --> 00:14:07,843
...and you realize, this guy just...
Nothing fazes Joe.

298
00:14:08,014 --> 00:14:09,072
Everything is good.

299
00:14:09,249 --> 00:14:10,341
Every moment is good.

300
00:14:10,517 --> 00:14:13,714
And he turned out to be one
of the favorite characters in the movie.

301
00:14:13,887 --> 00:14:19,086
He seems to epitomize
a quintessential surfer attitude.

302
00:14:21,027 --> 00:14:22,392
Inspired Ash Brannon moment
there.

303
00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:25,421
Butt freeze?

304
00:14:25,598 --> 00:14:29,728
No, the whole whale spout.
Joe being blasted off in the air.

305
00:14:29,903 --> 00:14:32,701
Finding a way to end that scene
properly.

306
00:14:33,506 --> 00:14:36,475
Our visual development team,
Paul Lasaine...

307
00:14:37,043 --> 00:14:38,977
...Marcelo Vignali.

308
00:14:40,046 --> 00:14:41,877
Hope I pronounced it right.

309
00:14:42,048 --> 00:14:44,107
Armand Serrano, Ron Lukas...

310
00:14:44,984 --> 00:14:46,576
...designed a beautiful world.

311
00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,083
- The characters.
- They're natural primitive.

312
00:14:50,256 --> 00:14:53,089
- Oh, yes, Sylvain Deboissy.
- Sylvain Deboissy.

313
00:14:54,394 --> 00:14:55,452
He had a real challenge...

314
00:14:55,628 --> 00:14:58,426
...because most of our characters
are penguins.

315
00:14:58,732 --> 00:15:01,064
It's real easy for them to start
looking alike...

316
00:15:01,234 --> 00:15:02,667
...but he gave them all distinction.

317
00:15:03,803 --> 00:15:06,829
They ended up having different tattoos
to help you...

318
00:15:07,474 --> 00:15:11,342
I think it started with
the Hawaiian shirt thing.

319
00:15:11,511 --> 00:15:15,208
- That was a Marcelo invention, right?
- Yeah, Marcelo.

320
00:15:15,648 --> 00:15:17,377
It was a brilliant, brilliant invention...

321
00:15:17,550 --> 00:15:21,486
...because it just carried forward
to everybody else then.

322
00:15:22,622 --> 00:15:25,147
I think we wanted to find
a much more organic way...

323
00:15:25,325 --> 00:15:29,694
...to actually feel the excitement
of this island and the MTV style.

324
00:15:31,064 --> 00:15:33,931
You know, music video
was the best way to go.

325
00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:35,624
Introduced a lot of things in here.

326
00:15:35,802 --> 00:15:39,101
Introduced the fact that Joe and Cody
are really good friends.

327
00:15:40,273 --> 00:15:41,865
Or have become really good friends.

328
00:15:42,041 --> 00:15:45,841
Yeah, saving...
Joe saving Cody made all that work.

329
00:15:46,012 --> 00:15:48,173
Just instant bond, you get that.

330
00:15:48,348 --> 00:15:52,079
Like when we pulled you out
from in front of that moving train.

331
00:15:52,619 --> 00:15:54,814
Yeah, the one that you were driving.

332
00:15:54,988 --> 00:15:57,821
Coming through! Oh, crap.

333
00:15:57,991 --> 00:16:01,290
- Introduction of Lani.
- Lani.

334
00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:04,760
Now, the squid life preserver.

335
00:16:04,931 --> 00:16:10,767
That was an invention of our character
designer, Sylvan Deboissy.

336
00:16:11,638 --> 00:16:13,936
Brilliant invention.

337
00:16:14,107 --> 00:16:18,976
This is why animation is great
because of that squid.

338
00:16:20,547 --> 00:16:23,914
This is also a scene that Zooey
ad-libbed.

339
00:16:24,184 --> 00:16:26,812
She came up
with the character Arnold.

340
00:16:27,787 --> 00:16:30,551
She was holding a sandbag,
remember?

341
00:16:30,723 --> 00:16:33,521
- And invented that character.
- That's right.

342
00:16:33,693 --> 00:16:36,059
Then we said, "Well, she's talking
to a kid, we need a kid."

343
00:16:36,229 --> 00:16:37,491
And Chris Buck...

344
00:16:38,331 --> 00:16:40,993
...took a portable DAT recorder
home.

345
00:16:41,167 --> 00:16:42,862
- Yup.
- And just recorded his...

346
00:16:43,036 --> 00:16:44,731
What was he, eight at that time
or seven?

347
00:16:44,904 --> 00:16:47,896
- He was probably eight.
- His son, Reed, just at home.

348
00:16:48,074 --> 00:16:49,769
To do scratch
and it turned out so good...

349
00:16:49,943 --> 00:16:51,308
...we had to use it in the production.

350
00:16:51,478 --> 00:16:54,106
Yeah, because a lot of times
there's nothing worse than an adult...

351
00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,408
...trying to do a kid voice.

352
00:16:58,618 --> 00:17:00,813
So we have real kids.

353
00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,213
I love my job.
I have an amazing job.

354
00:17:04,257 --> 00:17:07,090
This is so Zooey.
This whole thing here.

355
00:17:07,260 --> 00:17:10,821
Again, the camera work here,
working so beautifully.

356
00:17:10,997 --> 00:17:11,986
They're gonna go...

357
00:17:12,165 --> 00:17:14,599
...for the interesting thing
that's happening at the moment.

358
00:17:14,767 --> 00:17:17,634
That would be this little kid
who's about to drown.

359
00:17:19,772 --> 00:17:21,967
And James Williams,
our head of layout.

360
00:17:23,109 --> 00:17:26,135
Wonderful cinematography
in this movie.

361
00:17:28,014 --> 00:17:30,642
A lot of times, the camera...

362
00:17:30,817 --> 00:17:33,809
We had to sort of give the illusion
that the camera was finding the action.

363
00:17:33,987 --> 00:17:35,284
It couldn't be ahead of it.

364
00:17:35,455 --> 00:17:38,583
As you would normally create
these shots at this stage.

365
00:17:38,758 --> 00:17:42,159
- Remember?
- No, no. Not really.

366
00:17:43,363 --> 00:17:47,459
More of the archival footage that we...
Little scratches on the side.

367
00:17:47,634 --> 00:17:51,001
Actually, that stuff is pretty easy to do
from what I've been told.

368
00:17:51,271 --> 00:17:52,829
It looks hard.

369
00:17:53,006 --> 00:17:54,735
I think a lot of times it was just...

370
00:17:54,908 --> 00:17:56,967
Well, you know,
the guys would do the work...

371
00:17:57,143 --> 00:17:59,611
...and it'd be beautiful and pristine
and the color would be perfect.

372
00:17:59,779 --> 00:18:01,644
And then, we would say,
"Okay, now, make it look..."

373
00:18:01,814 --> 00:18:04,715
Yeah, muck it up,
make it look pretty bad.

374
00:18:04,884 --> 00:18:06,909
And then, you know...

375
00:18:08,321 --> 00:18:10,653
- They would do it.
- And then, on the long run, they go:

376
00:18:10,823 --> 00:18:12,916
"Okay, I get it.
I know what you guys are doing."

377
00:18:14,761 --> 00:18:17,025
It was all part of getting
a real organic look...

378
00:18:17,964 --> 00:18:20,455
...and feel for the movie.
That was really important to us.

379
00:18:20,633 --> 00:18:21,827
That it didn't feel CG.

380
00:18:22,669 --> 00:18:24,330
And in fact...

381
00:18:24,871 --> 00:18:25,997
...archival footage aside...

382
00:18:26,172 --> 00:18:29,573
...every shot including shots like this
have film grain.

383
00:18:29,742 --> 00:18:31,676
Because when we saw
the original images...

384
00:18:31,844 --> 00:18:33,072
...they were too perfect.

385
00:18:33,246 --> 00:18:35,441
And, too, almost a little sterile.

386
00:18:35,615 --> 00:18:39,915
But adding that little bit of film grain
took the edge off everything.

387
00:18:40,353 --> 00:18:43,379
The character of Tank
was really articulated...

388
00:18:45,024 --> 00:18:47,015
...by Jeff Ranjo, our head of story.

389
00:18:47,193 --> 00:18:52,221
He took what could have been
a real cutout, cardboard-like villain...

390
00:18:53,232 --> 00:18:56,167
...and went somewhere different
with him as you'll see later.

391
00:18:57,537 --> 00:18:59,300
We used to have a sequence...

392
00:18:59,472 --> 00:19:02,566
...that took us off into a big luau party
right here.

393
00:19:02,742 --> 00:19:05,973
And actually, Cody was gonna ride
the wave the next day, isn't that right?

394
00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:07,169
It slowed everything down.

395
00:19:07,347 --> 00:19:09,372
We had, like, a three-hour first act,
didn't we?

396
00:19:09,549 --> 00:19:13,007
Yeah, 80 minutes. Get to the point.

397
00:19:13,753 --> 00:19:15,744
This used to be
a much more complicated scene.

398
00:19:15,922 --> 00:19:17,753
It was a big dialogue-driven...

399
00:19:17,924 --> 00:19:19,221
Or even before that, remember?

400
00:19:19,392 --> 00:19:22,884
When Cody was saving Chicken Joe
from being beaten up.

401
00:19:23,062 --> 00:19:25,462
- That's right.
- And then the Ransoms came in.

402
00:19:25,632 --> 00:19:28,658
They were Tank's cronies.
And they held Cody down.

403
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:33,435
Lani rushed in and flipped Tank
on his back.

404
00:19:33,606 --> 00:19:35,733
That was the three-hour version,
I think.

405
00:19:35,908 --> 00:19:37,398
It was our head of story, Jeff Ranjo.

406
00:19:37,577 --> 00:19:40,512
He came up with the great,
efficient way of just moving forward.

407
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:40,747
You have the memorial surfboard
out on the rock.

408
00:19:40,747 --> 00:19:42,578
You have the memorial surfboard
out on the rock.

409
00:19:42,749 --> 00:19:44,979
And somebody's throwing rocks at it.

410
00:19:45,952 --> 00:19:48,819
Now, those urchins, they come back
a little bit later.

411
00:19:48,988 --> 00:19:51,013
At least one of them does.

412
00:19:52,392 --> 00:19:55,190
This one used to be, like,
so much longer too.

413
00:19:55,361 --> 00:19:56,919
Cody would...
He wouldn't take a wave.

414
00:19:57,096 --> 00:20:00,930
And he was really... Really was
wearing his fear on his sleeve.

415
00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:04,160
You just wanted him to wipeout.

416
00:20:04,771 --> 00:20:06,033
I remember nearly doing this.

417
00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:08,105
Of course the wave that I was on
doing that...

418
00:20:08,875 --> 00:20:11,742
...was about a foot and a half high,
but it was still pretty frightening.

419
00:20:11,911 --> 00:20:14,641
Well, we've had some
of the best teachers in the world.

420
00:20:14,814 --> 00:20:17,806
We had Kelly and Rob
teaching us too, so...

421
00:20:17,984 --> 00:20:19,542
And we still surf the way we do.

422
00:20:19,719 --> 00:20:22,153
- Yup, no reflection on their skill.
- Yup.

423
00:20:22,321 --> 00:20:25,381
- We're still useless.
- I wouldn't call it surfing.

424
00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:29,990
Now, we can't tell you anything
about the waves technically...

425
00:20:30,163 --> 00:20:32,154
...because we don't know anything
about the waves.

426
00:20:32,331 --> 00:20:36,495
And we all, between us, we have
a brain the size of a hamster.

427
00:20:38,371 --> 00:20:41,306
But a lot of the scenes with the water,
and the jungles and everything...

428
00:20:41,474 --> 00:20:44,170
...I know we would look at them
and say, "Fantastic."

429
00:20:44,343 --> 00:20:47,744
And the guys would say,
"Yeah, but we're not done yet."

430
00:20:48,281 --> 00:20:51,182
You know, and a few days later,
it would look even better.

431
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:54,251
And these guys
kept topping themselves.

432
00:20:54,987 --> 00:20:58,218
And this one, this is an odd one
where we kept trying, you know...

433
00:20:58,391 --> 00:21:01,588
...well, would it be
just two wipeouts, three?

434
00:21:01,761 --> 00:21:03,558
Rule of comedy is three.

435
00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:05,595
But somehow when we added
the fourth one in...

436
00:21:05,765 --> 00:21:07,756
...people really laughed.
The three was funny.

437
00:21:08,134 --> 00:21:11,262
The fourth one they weren't expecting,
especially the different angle.

438
00:21:11,437 --> 00:21:13,837
Plus Cody had said, "You know,
you're gonna wanna watch it...

439
00:21:14,006 --> 00:21:16,975
...one, two, three.
Over and over and over and over."

440
00:21:18,144 --> 00:21:21,170
Now, why the camera people
didn't go and rescue Cody...

441
00:21:21,347 --> 00:21:23,645
- I'm not sure why they...
- There's a rule of noninvolvement.

442
00:21:23,816 --> 00:21:26,182
- Oh, right. That's right.
- Yeah, don't make the news.

443
00:21:26,352 --> 00:21:28,650
- Just report the news.
- Yeah.

444
00:21:29,789 --> 00:21:32,121
We used to have Lani out there,
doing the rescue.

445
00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:33,383
Cody was passed out...

446
00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:35,754
...and she was the one
kind of suffering for Cody.

447
00:21:35,928 --> 00:21:37,862
I don't know why we did that.

448
00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:39,964
- Now, this scene...
- Try, you try.

449
00:21:40,133 --> 00:21:43,625
...described to us by a guy
from Quicksilver and he walked in.

450
00:21:43,803 --> 00:21:44,792
Yeah.

451
00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:48,202
He described what it's like
to almost drown.

452
00:21:48,374 --> 00:21:49,705
It stayed with this, because I think...

453
00:21:49,876 --> 00:21:52,174
...it was early on that he showed us
that... You know...

454
00:21:52,345 --> 00:21:55,439
...what it looked like to drown
as he's, sort of, like, lying on the floor...

455
00:21:55,615 --> 00:21:58,243
...of the conference room
with his arms and legs in the air.

456
00:21:58,417 --> 00:21:59,475
- I forgot about that.
- Yeah.

457
00:21:59,652 --> 00:22:01,552
A lot of the surfers talk about
how once you're...

458
00:22:01,721 --> 00:22:03,450
If you've wiped out
and you're under water...

459
00:22:03,623 --> 00:22:06,683
...often, you can't tell which way is up,
which way is down.

460
00:22:06,859 --> 00:22:08,918
And you'll be swimming thinking
you're surfacing...

461
00:22:09,095 --> 00:22:10,756
...and you'll hit the bottom
of the reef...

462
00:22:10,930 --> 00:22:12,522
...realize you're going
the wrong way.

463
00:22:12,698 --> 00:22:14,791
When you come up for air,
sometimes that next wave...

464
00:22:14,967 --> 00:22:18,926
...is right down on top of you.
You don't even get another breath.

465
00:22:19,105 --> 00:22:21,539
- Tank, you okay?
- Tank needs fuel.

466
00:22:21,707 --> 00:22:24,335
Now, he says it tastes like...

467
00:22:24,844 --> 00:22:25,833
- Shellfish.
- Shellfish.

468
00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:27,741
Shellfish, I just wanna be clear
about that.

469
00:22:27,914 --> 00:22:29,973
And he doesn't like shellfish.

470
00:22:34,453 --> 00:22:36,648
I think it was Ed who animated that.

471
00:22:36,823 --> 00:22:38,848
I'm sorry, boarded that scene,
initially.

472
00:22:39,025 --> 00:22:42,256
And there were fish coming out
of Cody's mouth...

473
00:22:42,428 --> 00:22:44,089
...when Lani was pushing down
on his chest.

474
00:22:44,263 --> 00:22:45,252
That's right.

475
00:22:45,431 --> 00:22:46,898
Ed Gombert.

476
00:22:49,001 --> 00:22:50,025
- You know, I'm...
- Ha.

477
00:22:50,937 --> 00:22:54,202
We had these three actors
on the coach together and they were...

478
00:22:55,041 --> 00:22:59,102
This was the moment
where Glen acts out Cody wiping out...

479
00:22:59,278 --> 00:23:02,406
...that was a touch that the animator,
Pete Nash, added.

480
00:23:02,582 --> 00:23:05,608
- That was beautiful.
- We didn't expect that.

481
00:23:10,456 --> 00:23:12,356
Again, beautiful camerawork here...

482
00:23:12,525 --> 00:23:16,188
...with a little spotlight that they used.
The rain.

483
00:23:16,362 --> 00:23:18,023
We did have one point,
we were gonna do it...

484
00:23:18,197 --> 00:23:19,528
...all that sort of night camera.

485
00:23:19,699 --> 00:23:23,931
Green with those sort of, you know,
those glowing eyes.

486
00:23:24,103 --> 00:23:27,129
- Green retinas and all that.
- Just a little too creepy.

487
00:23:27,306 --> 00:23:29,206
- But I think we always wanted this.
- Yeah.

488
00:23:29,375 --> 00:23:31,309
And it came out beautifully.

489
00:23:31,477 --> 00:23:32,876
I think from the beginning...

490
00:23:33,045 --> 00:23:35,605
...we always imagined setting up
the Geek as...

491
00:23:35,781 --> 00:23:39,342
Or introducing him as being a guy
asleep outside in the rain.

492
00:23:39,652 --> 00:23:43,019
Just kind of tells you all about
how out of touch he is...

493
00:23:43,189 --> 00:23:45,248
...how washed up he is.

494
00:23:46,092 --> 00:23:47,184
Jeff's great here.

495
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:48,850
Remember when he first came in...

496
00:23:49,028 --> 00:23:51,053
...he was actually doing more
of a cartoon voice.

497
00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:53,221
Yes, little bit higher voice
and all that.

498
00:23:53,399 --> 00:23:56,368
We said, "Just do your own voice."

499
00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:59,631
- I remember.
- Jeff is this character.

500
00:23:59,805 --> 00:24:01,500
- He just...
- Yeah.

501
00:24:01,674 --> 00:24:03,767
He brought so much
of himself to it.

502
00:24:06,112 --> 00:24:09,809
These actors did this, I mean,
the same thing all together...

503
00:24:09,982 --> 00:24:11,540
...the three of them.

504
00:24:11,717 --> 00:24:13,742
It gives all that overlapping feeling.

505
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,515
The three of them acting,
workshopping this sequence...

506
00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:19,658
...was fantastic.

507
00:24:21,027 --> 00:24:22,016
Okay, Fire Urchin.

508
00:24:22,194 --> 00:24:25,459
Oh, lvan, you know, this is a tribute
to our editor.

509
00:24:25,631 --> 00:24:28,225
Who came...? Who did this first?
Was this Ed Gombert, who did the...?

510
00:24:28,401 --> 00:24:31,632
Yeah, but I think it was your idea,
Chris, to...

511
00:24:31,804 --> 00:24:33,465
To interview the Fire Urchin.

512
00:24:33,639 --> 00:24:35,163
Yeah, and then Ed Gombert
boarded it...

513
00:24:35,341 --> 00:24:37,400
...and came up
with a lot of great dialogue.

514
00:24:37,843 --> 00:24:39,743
I'll take credit for it...

515
00:24:41,881 --> 00:24:43,405
...if you like it at home.

516
00:24:43,582 --> 00:24:45,914
And if you don't,
it was Chris Jenkins.

517
00:24:46,085 --> 00:24:49,486
And Matt Taylor did the voice
for the urchin...

518
00:24:49,655 --> 00:24:53,216
...which is... Matt was one of our
storyboard artist.

519
00:24:53,392 --> 00:24:54,757
And great improviser. He helped...

520
00:24:54,927 --> 00:24:57,521
We would workshop scenes
with Matt...

521
00:24:57,697 --> 00:25:00,325
...and one of our development guys,
Pete Burns...

522
00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:02,990
...and they would give us
great material.

523
00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:05,763
Particularly with our final sessions
with him.

524
00:25:05,938 --> 00:25:07,906
It was written in a different way
in that regard.

525
00:25:08,074 --> 00:25:12,101
I mean, we just allowed the improv
to, you know, create the scenes.

526
00:25:13,179 --> 00:25:16,239
Knowing that we were hitting marks
all the way along that...

527
00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:20,117
We went back and forth in this scene
a couple of times.

528
00:25:21,387 --> 00:25:23,855
Yeah, well, our first instinct
was to go with this.

529
00:25:25,558 --> 00:25:27,526
That's what you do when you get
some kind of...

530
00:25:27,693 --> 00:25:29,991
Yeah, it's really a surefire cure.
It really is.

531
00:25:30,162 --> 00:25:32,062
Then, we second guessed ourselves.

532
00:25:32,231 --> 00:25:35,132
Well, Jeff, every time he came in,
he'd go, "Is the pee scene still in?"

533
00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:36,626
We got nervous at one point.

534
00:25:36,802 --> 00:25:38,963
- We said, "Yeah, kind of."
- Because I'm not, you know...

535
00:25:39,138 --> 00:25:42,266
- Oh, good. Okay, good.
- And it really works, right guys?

536
00:25:43,342 --> 00:25:44,866
- I hope.
- I don't know.

537
00:25:45,044 --> 00:25:46,443
We hear.

538
00:25:46,612 --> 00:25:48,981
Why did you...?
That time I cut my foot?

539
00:25:48,981 --> 00:25:50,539
Why did you...?
That time I cut my foot?

540
00:25:52,084 --> 00:25:55,679
Then the kids came in later
and I think...

541
00:25:55,855 --> 00:25:59,382
...they kind of take the ick factor off it,
if you have any of it.

542
00:25:59,558 --> 00:26:03,392
Now, this is Reese,
our youngest daughter.

543
00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:07,464
And then Reed, my son,
and Jeff Ranjo's son.

544
00:26:07,633 --> 00:26:09,191
- Jack.
- Smudge, Jack.

545
00:26:09,368 --> 00:26:12,132
- Playing Smudge.
- Is his son named Smudge?

546
00:26:12,304 --> 00:26:15,137
- Son Jack playing Smudge.
- Okay.

547
00:26:15,908 --> 00:26:17,569
- Oh, come on.
- Bye.

548
00:26:18,277 --> 00:26:21,440
- This was a much longer scene too.
- Oh, yeah.

549
00:26:23,315 --> 00:26:28,184
And then we decided to end
with a little classy joke.

550
00:26:28,788 --> 00:26:31,052
- Look at that for...
- Masterpiece Theatre right there.

551
00:26:31,223 --> 00:26:33,953
Now, that burp was provided
by Jon Heder.

552
00:26:34,126 --> 00:26:36,026
- Jon Heder.
- Jon Heder.

553
00:26:36,562 --> 00:26:38,189
That's right.

554
00:26:38,664 --> 00:26:39,858
With the Reggie character...

555
00:26:40,032 --> 00:26:43,695
...he was originally much more
of a villain, and then he just...

556
00:26:43,869 --> 00:26:46,997
Cody was his own villain, really.

557
00:26:47,173 --> 00:26:50,040
You know,
it's his struggle whether to...

558
00:26:50,209 --> 00:26:52,734
Yeah, the internal struggle
and his struggle with Z.

559
00:26:52,912 --> 00:26:56,040
- Yeah.
- We didn't need a... kind of villain.

560
00:26:56,215 --> 00:26:59,446
- Right. So Reggie's part got a little...
- We couldn't even spell that.

561
00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:01,483
- Or villain?
- Yeah.

562
00:27:01,654 --> 00:27:03,747
- I can't spell either of them.
- Yeah.

563
00:27:03,923 --> 00:27:06,016
Okay, so then...

564
00:27:06,192 --> 00:27:08,524
...we got the idea of Joe...
We gotta keep Joe in the movie.

565
00:27:08,694 --> 00:27:11,561
Everybody loved Joe,
but Joe was separate from Cody.

566
00:27:11,730 --> 00:27:14,790
So, what is... I guess the idea came up
that he would be searching for him.

567
00:27:14,967 --> 00:27:17,128
- Yeah.
- So that keeps Joe alive.

568
00:27:17,303 --> 00:27:18,702
Well, not in that scene.

569
00:27:21,006 --> 00:27:24,908
Chicken Joe, of course,
was just a breakout...

570
00:27:25,311 --> 00:27:27,711
...cool and wonderful character
in the movie.

571
00:27:29,215 --> 00:27:31,809
Yeah, Jon just found him.

572
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,711
But Jon found him
in the first session.

573
00:27:34,887 --> 00:27:37,856
- Yeah, he did.
- But we had him come in and audition.

574
00:27:38,023 --> 00:27:41,857
Just in that room, set up a little tape
recorder and did some great stuff.

575
00:27:42,027 --> 00:27:43,961
Jon was always the choice
for Chicken Joe...

576
00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:45,995
...after seeing Napoleon.

577
00:27:46,165 --> 00:27:48,326
Napoleon Dynamite that is.

578
00:27:50,035 --> 00:27:52,265
At this point in the movie,
you can't smell this...

579
00:27:52,438 --> 00:27:57,034
...but, you know, Z hasn't washed
for about 10 years.

580
00:27:58,911 --> 00:28:02,278
The jungle that these guys created,
the lighting...

581
00:28:02,948 --> 00:28:04,848
...and the leaves
and the wind blowing...

582
00:28:05,017 --> 00:28:07,042
...it's amazing.

583
00:28:08,087 --> 00:28:10,385
I think it was one of our writers,
Don Rymer...

584
00:28:10,556 --> 00:28:13,548
...who came up with this idea
that Cody lost his necklace.

585
00:28:13,726 --> 00:28:16,718
And once he had made
that suggestion...

586
00:28:16,896 --> 00:28:18,363
...everything fell into place here.

587
00:28:18,531 --> 00:28:20,158
Because we struggled
for a long time...

588
00:28:20,332 --> 00:28:23,495
...about how to get Z motivated
to help this kid out.

589
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:26,297
- And get involved in his life.
- That's right.

590
00:28:26,472 --> 00:28:30,772
Yeah, we had that whole thing about Z
having a particular scar.

591
00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:33,173
Yeah, and Cody would recognize.

592
00:28:33,345 --> 00:28:35,472
So losing the necklace brings up
the conversation...

593
00:28:35,648 --> 00:28:38,139
...about the meeting
10 years earlier.

594
00:28:38,317 --> 00:28:40,114
And then gives Z a chance
to make a decision...

595
00:28:40,286 --> 00:28:42,652
...after he's gone back to his tree.

596
00:28:42,821 --> 00:28:44,755
Yeah, so Z feels somewhat
responsible...

597
00:28:44,924 --> 00:28:46,653
...for where this kid is right now.

598
00:28:46,825 --> 00:28:48,986
And has set him on his path.

599
00:28:49,161 --> 00:28:51,652
Beautiful song
by Ken Andrews here.

600
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:53,661
It's just fantastic.

601
00:28:53,832 --> 00:28:56,232
We had a great music supervisor...

602
00:28:56,402 --> 00:28:59,667
...Liza Richardson,
also working with Lia Vollack.

603
00:28:59,838 --> 00:29:02,306
Some incredible music.

604
00:29:02,474 --> 00:29:03,702
They would just turn up...

605
00:29:03,876 --> 00:29:07,141
These original songs would come
into the studio.

606
00:29:07,313 --> 00:29:11,306
They can bring a CD in and say,
"Hey, we're gonna play this moment."

607
00:29:12,218 --> 00:29:13,242
They were perfect.

608
00:29:13,419 --> 00:29:15,751
It was a treat the day this came in.

609
00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:18,412
This anchors the scene emotionally.

610
00:29:18,591 --> 00:29:21,355
The values in this scene,
it's not sad.

611
00:29:21,527 --> 00:29:24,587
It's just, there's a certain kind of...

612
00:29:26,332 --> 00:29:29,392
...something that I can't think about
right now.

613
00:29:33,305 --> 00:29:35,330
- lf you say so.
- Not quite.

614
00:29:43,115 --> 00:29:46,516
This is the international version,
listeners.

615
00:29:47,253 --> 00:29:48,652
One of the inspirations for Z...

616
00:29:48,821 --> 00:29:51,790
...was a legendary surfer named
Greg Knoll...

617
00:29:52,324 --> 00:29:55,657
...who rode big waves
before anybody else was.

618
00:29:55,995 --> 00:29:57,929
Back in the '50s.

619
00:29:58,097 --> 00:30:01,863
And he rode one of the biggest waves
ever recorded.

620
00:30:02,034 --> 00:30:03,228
It wasn't filmed or anything...

621
00:30:03,402 --> 00:30:06,098
...and he walked away from surfing
after that.

622
00:30:06,272 --> 00:30:10,208
And that was part of our... Something...
That idea led to, you know...

623
00:30:10,376 --> 00:30:14,278
...what if we had
this Elvis-type surfer...

624
00:30:15,547 --> 00:30:16,571
...who got really big...

625
00:30:16,749 --> 00:30:19,081
...and then all of a sudden
disappeared one day?

626
00:30:21,020 --> 00:30:22,681
We learned all about the koa wood.

627
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:26,324
And how boards...

628
00:30:26,492 --> 00:30:28,824
...how they're made, best boards.

629
00:30:29,361 --> 00:30:30,885
You want to make one?

630
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:32,757
Remember we talked about
this bit, too...

631
00:30:32,931 --> 00:30:35,627
...where, you know,
I was talking about a scene...

632
00:30:35,801 --> 00:30:37,564
...you know, at home...

633
00:30:37,736 --> 00:30:40,500
...where you go to your teenager
and wanna do something with them.

634
00:30:40,673 --> 00:30:42,641
And you wanna be the best dad
in the world.

635
00:30:42,808 --> 00:30:44,435
And you're gonna go to them
and say:

636
00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:47,044
"Hey, you wanna go do this with me?
I think it'll be great."

637
00:30:47,212 --> 00:30:49,908
You're expecting the kid to say,
"Yeah, Dad. You're the best."

638
00:30:50,082 --> 00:30:52,573
And give you a big hug and all that,
whatever.

639
00:30:52,751 --> 00:30:55,948
But normally, they would just say:

640
00:30:56,221 --> 00:30:58,189
"Never mind, I don't really want to."

641
00:30:58,357 --> 00:31:00,348
And so we tried to go
for that kind of feeling...

642
00:31:00,526 --> 00:31:03,518
...more than... You know,
the believable kind of relationship...

643
00:31:03,696 --> 00:31:04,822
...with Cody and Z...

644
00:31:04,997 --> 00:31:08,990
...as opposed to just the, you know,
the fantasy of it all.

645
00:31:09,168 --> 00:31:10,863
I think that happened to you,
didn't it?

646
00:31:11,036 --> 00:31:12,867
Isn't that...? There was an example
that weekend...

647
00:31:13,038 --> 00:31:15,199
...you brought it in, we thought,
"Great, let's get that."

648
00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:19,105
Oh, yeah, we bring our lives into this,
you know...

649
00:31:19,278 --> 00:31:20,939
...this movie.

650
00:31:21,613 --> 00:31:23,080
And I think our families...

651
00:31:24,516 --> 00:31:26,609
...will be scarred forever
by watching some of this.

652
00:31:29,621 --> 00:31:31,885
Now, this whole log-rolling concept
came up...

653
00:31:32,057 --> 00:31:35,788
...we just needed a device
to get Z and Cody to the beach.

654
00:31:35,961 --> 00:31:38,725
We knew Z wouldn't consciously
go back to his old place.

655
00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:40,296
See, he's heading back
to his house.

656
00:31:40,466 --> 00:31:42,434
His house is off on the right there.

657
00:31:42,601 --> 00:31:46,264
And now, they're heading away.

658
00:31:47,106 --> 00:31:50,940
Mychael Danna created
some really great music for this.

659
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:54,136
It was fun watching this stuff
being recorded too.

660
00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:57,378
Oh, once again we threw something
completely different to him, you know.

661
00:31:57,549 --> 00:32:01,918
Instead of this big, lush,
symphonic score, we were like:

662
00:32:02,087 --> 00:32:06,751
"This little bit, try something
kind of Islandy sort of thing.

663
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:08,950
- You know, log chasing."
- "Okay."

664
00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:11,020
- And he'd go for it.
- Yeah.

665
00:32:11,196 --> 00:32:12,993
His brother happened to be in town
that weekend.

666
00:32:13,432 --> 00:32:16,765
And his brother plays the uke
and they put this little piece together.

667
00:32:16,935 --> 00:32:18,562
- It's a great piece.
- Yeah.

668
00:32:18,737 --> 00:32:20,967
Well, the scene used to feel
really dangerous.

669
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:25,236
We had Steve Ticknor,
who's our sound designer...

670
00:32:25,411 --> 00:32:27,242
...and he did brilliant work.

671
00:32:27,413 --> 00:32:30,814
But it was scary
because a giant log rolling down...

672
00:32:30,983 --> 00:32:34,475
...and Z caught going off a cliff.

673
00:32:34,653 --> 00:32:36,382
But we added the music
and it made it...

674
00:32:36,555 --> 00:32:39,752
...just gave it a tone...
A little more humor, right?

675
00:32:40,192 --> 00:32:44,356
Here's the most perfect beach
you will ever find.

676
00:32:45,531 --> 00:32:46,998
And it doesn't exist.

677
00:32:47,166 --> 00:32:49,726
- Darn.
- Yeah.

678
00:32:55,374 --> 00:32:59,743
Squids don't necessarily need
to live in water in our movie.

679
00:33:00,512 --> 00:33:01,246
There's a tank of water
just off frame.

680
00:33:01,246 --> 00:33:03,771
There's a tank of water
just off frame.

681
00:33:09,521 --> 00:33:12,217
Our visual development team...

682
00:33:12,825 --> 00:33:15,487
...just did a beautiful job
coming up...

683
00:33:15,861 --> 00:33:16,987
...with this world.

684
00:33:17,162 --> 00:33:20,131
We said we wanted something natural
and primitive.

685
00:33:20,299 --> 00:33:23,496
- And I think it was Armand Serrano.
- Armand Serrano.

686
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:25,193
- Beautiful.
- Who drew this originally.

687
00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:30,637
This leaned-over palm tree converted
into a board shack, like an old garage.

688
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:35,078
I love watching this with people.
Actually people that... Or kids.

689
00:33:35,247 --> 00:33:38,273
They may have figured it out
in the scene before, you know.

690
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:40,042
- It was Z.
- "It's Z. It's Z."

691
00:33:40,219 --> 00:33:42,119
But they're not sure yet.

692
00:33:43,322 --> 00:33:45,790
So they're with you on the journey.

693
00:33:46,692 --> 00:33:48,592
Of course they look
at the Hawaiian flowers.

694
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,022
They sort of figure it out.

695
00:33:50,195 --> 00:33:52,390
Yeah, on his chest.

696
00:33:53,165 --> 00:33:54,496
Everything's working in the scene.

697
00:33:54,666 --> 00:33:56,634
The way that the flowers
in the background...

698
00:33:56,802 --> 00:33:58,895
...at the bottom left there.

699
00:33:59,071 --> 00:34:01,437
Sand's moving.

700
00:34:02,441 --> 00:34:05,308
It was tough finding out
where to reveal Z.

701
00:34:05,477 --> 00:34:08,139
And then, it just kind of landed
in our laps.

702
00:34:08,614 --> 00:34:11,515
When he gets to his old house,
it's the perfect way to reveal it.

703
00:34:11,683 --> 00:34:14,914
Well, he reveals himself
and he doesn't tell Cody who he is...

704
00:34:15,087 --> 00:34:16,281
...it just happens, right?

705
00:34:17,890 --> 00:34:21,792
Because of his being confronted
with his past, he just...

706
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,325
That's how he reacts to everything.

707
00:34:24,363 --> 00:34:25,990
Cody puts it together.

708
00:34:26,164 --> 00:34:28,655
It's a very organic reveal that...

709
00:34:28,834 --> 00:34:32,270
I remember we had so many ideas
about Z having a scar...

710
00:34:35,574 --> 00:34:37,064
...a cupboard of trophies...

711
00:34:37,242 --> 00:34:40,507
Well, the question was always, like,
"How would Cody know who this...?"

712
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:42,340
It's like,
"Wait a minute, Cody's not..."

713
00:34:43,048 --> 00:34:45,710
He's pretty bright.
He's gonna put it together, you know.

714
00:34:45,884 --> 00:34:49,012
You see this character reacting
the way they do.

715
00:34:49,321 --> 00:34:51,812
Often in story development,
you work on these things.

716
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:53,582
And you second guess yourself.

717
00:34:53,759 --> 00:34:56,250
Or you're being guessed
by a lot of people around you.

718
00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:59,829
All for good reasons, really,
but you kind of forget...

719
00:34:59,998 --> 00:35:02,398
...that people are discovering
their journey with you.

720
00:35:02,568 --> 00:35:08,507
And sometimes you try too hard
to disguise things without realizing...

721
00:35:08,674 --> 00:35:11,074
...that your perspective as a storyteller
is everything.

722
00:35:11,243 --> 00:35:12,733
You know the story inside out.

723
00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:14,970
But the audience
is just walking this path...

724
00:35:15,147 --> 00:35:17,377
...and discovering things
as they come up.

725
00:35:17,549 --> 00:35:21,178
- What happened?
- I don't want to talk about it.

726
00:35:21,353 --> 00:35:24,049
I love the way he looks
in the camera there.

727
00:35:27,593 --> 00:35:30,426
We were always trying to keep
that idea alive...

728
00:35:30,596 --> 00:35:35,056
...that these characters
were going about their business.

729
00:35:35,233 --> 00:35:37,133
But at times,
when they were revealing things...

730
00:35:37,302 --> 00:35:39,566
...they didn't wanna be revealed,
in particularly with Z...

731
00:35:39,738 --> 00:35:41,672
...they'd looked right at the camera.

732
00:35:42,274 --> 00:35:45,573
Yeah, we wanted awareness
of the camera throughout.

733
00:35:45,844 --> 00:35:48,745
Not too often,
but enough to remind you...

734
00:35:48,914 --> 00:35:50,541
...that there's cameras
on the beach.

735
00:35:50,716 --> 00:35:53,412
And there's only 800
and something shots in the movie.

736
00:35:53,585 --> 00:35:56,850
It's a really low shot count
for a movie like this.

737
00:35:57,022 --> 00:35:58,922
Especially when we get to
making the board...

738
00:35:59,091 --> 00:36:02,754
...which is very long.
Couple of long scenes.

739
00:36:02,928 --> 00:36:04,555
We wanted the limitation
of the camera...

740
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:06,425
...having to stay away
from the characters.

741
00:36:06,598 --> 00:36:10,261
It couldn't get exactly where it wanted
to get for the perfect shot every time.

742
00:36:12,771 --> 00:36:17,071
We had this kid thing all as one
and then, I think, lvan our editor...

743
00:36:17,876 --> 00:36:19,434
...split it up into three.

744
00:36:19,611 --> 00:36:23,069
Just kind of wrap the whole thing
around, yeah.

745
00:36:23,248 --> 00:36:25,239
Ivan's not only a fantastic editor...

746
00:36:25,417 --> 00:36:30,286
...he's a really great,
accomplished surfer himself.

747
00:36:30,455 --> 00:36:34,653
It turned out to be indispensable
that he was...

748
00:36:34,826 --> 00:36:36,885
Could help us connect
to the surf world...

749
00:36:37,062 --> 00:36:40,088
...and keep it real every day.

750
00:36:41,066 --> 00:36:44,297
Jack Ranjo's big line coming up.

751
00:36:44,469 --> 00:36:46,699
He's a dirty trashcan full of poop.

752
00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:47,272
Hey, now, nobody made him
say that line, Chris.

753
00:36:47,272 --> 00:36:49,263
Hey, now, nobody made him
say that line, Chris.

754
00:36:49,441 --> 00:36:50,908
That was his own line.

755
00:36:51,076 --> 00:36:53,601
Yeah, well, maybe Jeff wrote it.
We don't know.

756
00:36:54,146 --> 00:36:56,307
- Hey, what's that?
- And Tank's mom...

757
00:36:57,449 --> 00:36:59,781
- What a looker.
- Oh, yeah.

758
00:37:00,052 --> 00:37:02,646
- Played by Diedrich Bader.
- Yeah.

759
00:37:02,921 --> 00:37:05,856
Who is also a looker
as a matter of fact.

760
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:11,024
Okay, this is probably the weirdest
sequence in the whole movie.

761
00:37:11,196 --> 00:37:12,322
Yeah, we admit it.

762
00:37:12,497 --> 00:37:15,830
- And it's Jeff Ranjo's fault.
- Jeff Ranjo, it's all his fault.

763
00:37:16,001 --> 00:37:20,233
Then Diedrich ran with it
and we encouraged it and all that.

764
00:37:20,972 --> 00:37:23,770
But as strange as this is, you know,
we were questioning it...

765
00:37:23,942 --> 00:37:25,910
...you know,
is this just too out there?

766
00:37:26,078 --> 00:37:29,241
Then I think about at the same time,
it was Super Bowl Sunday...

767
00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:34,412
...and in this particular Super Bowl,
they had...

768
00:37:34,586 --> 00:37:36,486
When you cut away
from the game...

769
00:37:37,155 --> 00:37:39,453
...they would cut to photographs
of the players...

770
00:37:39,624 --> 00:37:41,091
...posing with the trophy...

771
00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:43,784
...and kissing the trophy
and hugging the trophy.

772
00:37:43,962 --> 00:37:46,658
And we realize this is not so...

773
00:37:47,466 --> 00:37:49,229
...far out.
- This isn't weird.

774
00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:51,596
You know, but we pushed it.

775
00:37:52,204 --> 00:37:54,104
We make a little weirder.

776
00:37:54,406 --> 00:37:57,136
We had a test screening
and this first version...

777
00:37:57,309 --> 00:37:59,334
...slightly, sort of the same,
people didn't like.

778
00:37:59,511 --> 00:38:03,038
We did a different version, edited it.
Nobody liked.

779
00:38:03,215 --> 00:38:05,877
So we went back
to the original version.

780
00:38:06,485 --> 00:38:07,713
- You know...
- I like the pretty...

781
00:38:07,886 --> 00:38:08,875
Kids get it on one level.

782
00:38:09,054 --> 00:38:11,113
Adults get it on another.

783
00:38:11,723 --> 00:38:13,418
Well, one of the ideas
is that Cody was...

784
00:38:13,592 --> 00:38:14,793
That's all Cody wanted to do,
was to win the trophy.

785
00:38:14,793 --> 00:38:16,158
That's all Cody wanted to do,
was to win the trophy.

786
00:38:16,328 --> 00:38:19,491
Epitomized winning. Well, we thought,
"What if our villain...?

787
00:38:19,664 --> 00:38:21,825
That's what he's all about.

788
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,366
It's all about the trophy."

789
00:38:25,137 --> 00:38:28,538
One of our best
documentary shots here.

790
00:38:28,707 --> 00:38:32,040
Camera follows. It's still one shot.

791
00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:36,110
Hey, who said you...

792
00:38:36,281 --> 00:38:38,943
Turn the board around.
Get back here.

793
00:38:39,451 --> 00:38:41,248
I think the water is...

794
00:38:41,419 --> 00:38:43,649
Some of the best water
is when it's like that.

795
00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:45,915
Not necessarily
when there's breaking waves.

796
00:38:46,091 --> 00:38:47,183
I just love this scene.

797
00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:50,351
- You wanna jump in.
- Yeah.

798
00:38:50,529 --> 00:38:53,191
- Well, I'd like you to jump in there.
- Beautiful.

799
00:38:53,365 --> 00:38:54,593
Jump off.

800
00:38:57,002 --> 00:39:00,267
We never got tired of putting Cody
through the ringer.

801
00:39:00,438 --> 00:39:02,906
He needed to be.

802
00:39:03,074 --> 00:39:04,132
Well, it's a cocky...

803
00:39:04,309 --> 00:39:07,710
A cocky character,
you don't mind seeing him...

804
00:39:07,879 --> 00:39:09,540
That was the interesting thing
with him...

805
00:39:09,714 --> 00:39:13,480
...was keeping him sort of driven
and cocky and that...

806
00:39:13,652 --> 00:39:15,677
- Likable?
- Likable.

807
00:39:15,854 --> 00:39:18,789
- Gotta keep him likable.
- And believable, I guess.

808
00:39:19,925 --> 00:39:21,552
- Mychael Danna's score.
- Oh, yeah.

809
00:39:21,726 --> 00:39:24,456
- We gotta...
- Funny little ditty that he did here.

810
00:39:24,629 --> 00:39:27,029
The guy was versatile
more than like...

811
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:28,530
- That's...
- He's amazing, amazing.

812
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:34,070
But he also wrote the SPEN theme,
the original, the opening theme.

813
00:39:35,207 --> 00:39:36,834
And then the Boneyards.

814
00:39:37,008 --> 00:39:40,444
- Incredible music at the end.
- Score.

815
00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:44,676
Now, this X started off as a gag.

816
00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:45,908
And it also showed...

817
00:39:46,084 --> 00:39:48,348
...you know, that Zeke was really
connected to the water.

818
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,112
He knew when the waves
were gonna break.

819
00:39:50,288 --> 00:39:53,621
And it was kind of a one-off gag
at one point.

820
00:39:53,792 --> 00:39:55,953
And we'd realize
we could use it later on.

821
00:39:56,127 --> 00:39:58,322
Now, the precursor of that
was a scene...

822
00:39:58,496 --> 00:40:00,430
...that, I think, Ed Gombert
had created.

823
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:01,759
A lovely scene.

824
00:40:01,933 --> 00:40:04,493
Where Z was very much...
Kind of like...

825
00:40:04,669 --> 00:40:06,899
...he's doing transcendental meditation
on the beach.

826
00:40:07,072 --> 00:40:08,061
Oh, right.

827
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,265
And he was counting down
the waves...

828
00:40:10,442 --> 00:40:13,570
...and he knew exactly
when each wave would break.

829
00:40:13,745 --> 00:40:16,339
With his eyes closed.
He didn't really need it.

830
00:40:16,514 --> 00:40:19,745
That wasn't ultimately, what,
Cody needed to learn.

831
00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:22,819
He didn't have to learn the technique
or the technical aspects of surfing.

832
00:40:22,988 --> 00:40:25,013
He needed to learn
how to have fun.

833
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:27,420
We could have gone conventional
and said:

834
00:40:27,592 --> 00:40:29,685
"Well, there's gonna be a big contest
in act three...

835
00:40:29,861 --> 00:40:32,022
...and we need to have Cody,
like, training every day...

836
00:40:32,197 --> 00:40:33,562
...in leading up to that.

837
00:40:33,732 --> 00:40:34,994
We tried some versions.

838
00:40:35,166 --> 00:40:36,565
Yeah, they just never...

839
00:40:36,735 --> 00:40:40,501
It wasn't fun and it felt
like you had seen it before.

840
00:40:41,706 --> 00:40:43,537
Now, Rob has hair kind of like that.

841
00:40:43,708 --> 00:40:44,732
And by coincidence...

842
00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:48,277
...adolescent penguins grow
this crazy, brown feathery stuff...

843
00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:50,243
...out of their head
when they're teenagers.

844
00:40:50,415 --> 00:40:56,320
Not quite as much of a Chia Pet
as Rob became in this movie.

845
00:40:56,588 --> 00:40:58,681
Okay, you gotta tell
our wonderful listeners...

846
00:40:58,857 --> 00:41:00,722
...about this one right here.

847
00:41:00,892 --> 00:41:02,587
Well, Reed was talking about...

848
00:41:02,761 --> 00:41:05,093
Actually, he loves, you know,
toy guns and stuff like that.

849
00:41:05,263 --> 00:41:07,390
So I was asking him,
"What would you like on your gun?"

850
00:41:07,565 --> 00:41:08,896
He said,
"I'd like grenade launcher."

851
00:41:09,067 --> 00:41:13,026
So we took that out of context
and put it into the surfboard thing.

852
00:41:13,204 --> 00:41:14,262
Those happy accidents.

853
00:41:14,439 --> 00:41:18,205
- Oh, the Pen Guans.
- It's another happy accident.

854
00:41:18,677 --> 00:41:20,406
How many cameramen did we lose
in the movie?

855
00:41:23,114 --> 00:41:26,914
Now, we gotta give a nod
to Jason Lethcoe.

856
00:41:27,085 --> 00:41:29,212
- Yes.
- He really...

857
00:41:29,387 --> 00:41:30,945
Early on in production...

858
00:41:31,122 --> 00:41:32,885
...he took the whole middle
of the movie...

859
00:41:33,058 --> 00:41:34,457
...with Cody and Z...

860
00:41:34,626 --> 00:41:37,754
...and worked out a through line
about making a board.

861
00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:41,160
Now, he... I think he told us
he was inspired by...

862
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:43,226
Being in the workshop...

863
00:41:43,401 --> 00:41:46,063
...with his granddad
when he was a kid.

864
00:41:46,237 --> 00:41:50,674
And he tapped into something here
that's universal.

865
00:41:51,276 --> 00:41:53,244
He really understood
the father-and-son dynamic...

866
00:41:53,411 --> 00:41:55,345
...of these guys.

867
00:41:56,548 --> 00:42:00,314
And in creating this scene,
it had echoes back...

868
00:42:00,485 --> 00:42:03,716
...and into the end of the movie.

869
00:42:03,888 --> 00:42:08,655
The movie, I think, really sort of
added those elements back in...

870
00:42:08,827 --> 00:42:10,522
...to all aspects.

871
00:42:11,997 --> 00:42:14,557
Again a lot of great improv
from Jeff and Shia.

872
00:42:14,733 --> 00:42:16,530
Yeah, they were
in the room together.

873
00:42:16,701 --> 00:42:19,568
I think it was their first time together,
like the second day.

874
00:42:19,738 --> 00:42:21,638
We did three days in a row.

875
00:42:21,806 --> 00:42:25,367
And they did four takes.
That was all we needed.

876
00:42:25,543 --> 00:42:27,738
- Yeah.
- We wanted the overlaps.

877
00:42:27,912 --> 00:42:28,901
We wanted the improv.

878
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,547
We wanted it to feel natural.

879
00:42:30,715 --> 00:42:33,513
This scene could be so written...

880
00:42:33,785 --> 00:42:38,586
...and really traditionally,
the information in this scene...

881
00:42:38,757 --> 00:42:41,487
It could be over in a few seconds.

882
00:42:41,659 --> 00:42:43,058
But to actually experience...

883
00:42:43,228 --> 00:42:45,128
...this relationship developed
on-screen...

884
00:42:45,296 --> 00:42:47,389
...this is kind of the core
of the movie in a way.

885
00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:48,759
- Yeah.
- It is.

886
00:42:49,534 --> 00:42:54,301
We were asked many times to cut it.
Trim it...

887
00:42:54,806 --> 00:42:55,932
...way back.

888
00:42:56,107 --> 00:42:57,540
We kept saying, "I don't know."

889
00:42:57,709 --> 00:43:00,007
I think the whole gag works...

890
00:43:00,178 --> 00:43:03,614
...because of the tension that builds up
throughout the sequence.

891
00:43:03,782 --> 00:43:06,945
The subtlety of these performances
is just staggering.

892
00:43:07,118 --> 00:43:08,642
But they were cuing off too, I think...

893
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:10,549
...of the great performances
they were getting.

894
00:43:10,722 --> 00:43:12,690
The very natural cadence
of the actors.

895
00:43:12,857 --> 00:43:15,792
And those little eccentric...

896
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,259
...you know, characteristics
that you don't normally get...

897
00:43:19,431 --> 00:43:22,867
...because lines are, in other movies,
so delivered.

898
00:43:23,668 --> 00:43:26,762
Very unusual to have two actors
in the same space...

899
00:43:26,938 --> 00:43:29,907
...acting out a scene
for an animated movie.

900
00:43:30,075 --> 00:43:33,476
Normally, you would record
one actor at a time...

901
00:43:33,645 --> 00:43:37,809
...and then a great deal of work goes
into trying to forge a connection...

902
00:43:37,982 --> 00:43:40,644
...between the performances.

903
00:43:40,819 --> 00:43:43,947
And that seemed a little crazy to us,
quite honestly. We thought...

904
00:43:44,122 --> 00:43:48,422
"If you want a natural performance,
put them together in the room."

905
00:43:48,693 --> 00:43:52,652
And everyone was worried about them
overlapping dialogue...

906
00:43:52,831 --> 00:43:56,028
...and how it would limit us
when we got back to editorial.

907
00:43:56,201 --> 00:43:58,226
No, we embraced it.

908
00:43:58,503 --> 00:44:01,995
We embraced to a large degree
the idea of spontaneity...

909
00:44:02,173 --> 00:44:05,074
...and kind of being stuck with
what you get on film...

910
00:44:05,243 --> 00:44:06,301
...or what you get on tape.

911
00:44:06,478 --> 00:44:08,605
That's what documentary filmmakers
have to deal with.

912
00:44:08,780 --> 00:44:13,785
It was important to keep that sense
of spontaneous reality in everything.

913
00:44:13,785 --> 00:44:14,274
It was important to keep that sense
of spontaneous reality in everything.

914
00:44:14,452 --> 00:44:18,650
The camera moves, then obviously,
the character performances...

915
00:44:18,823 --> 00:44:20,984
...the story events.

916
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:24,356
We wanted a sense of reality
unfolding in front of you...

917
00:44:24,529 --> 00:44:26,326
...not these sort of...

918
00:44:27,065 --> 00:44:29,363
...preordained events
being locked down...

919
00:44:29,534 --> 00:44:30,728
...in a kind of a formulaic way.

920
00:44:31,369 --> 00:44:32,836
That can sometimes happen.

921
00:44:33,004 --> 00:44:35,871
We had transcripts
of everything that these guys said...

922
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,407
...so we could go in and find just the
right things with our highlighters...

923
00:44:39,577 --> 00:44:41,738
...and try to cut it all together.

924
00:44:41,913 --> 00:44:45,349
We had hours and hours of tape
to work with.

925
00:44:45,517 --> 00:44:47,485
So that made it a lot easier
with the transcripts.

926
00:44:48,820 --> 00:44:51,050
We have to thank
the blistered fingers...

927
00:44:51,222 --> 00:44:53,486
...of Jeannine. Yeah.
- Jeannine Marques, yes.

928
00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:58,458
So those voices are really good
on those penguins.

929
00:44:58,630 --> 00:45:01,121
- Who plays those guys?
- Why, that would be us.

930
00:45:01,299 --> 00:45:02,960
Sped up.

931
00:45:03,134 --> 00:45:04,829
Well, I have never...

932
00:45:05,036 --> 00:45:07,163
Oh, it is just us.

933
00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:11,875
Again, you know, like with the kids,
you added more kids...

934
00:45:12,043 --> 00:45:13,977
...as the movie went on,
we added more Pen Guans.

935
00:45:14,779 --> 00:45:17,771
- They're a very popular character.
- Yeah.

936
00:45:17,949 --> 00:45:21,510
And John ad-libbed this scene here.

937
00:45:21,686 --> 00:45:22,744
- We just said, "What...?"
- Yeah.

938
00:45:22,921 --> 00:45:27,085
"How would Chicken Joe
take being put in a pot...

939
00:45:27,258 --> 00:45:28,589
...a boiling pot of water?"

940
00:45:29,194 --> 00:45:31,856
I love the opening up
the pores and...

941
00:45:37,535 --> 00:45:41,403
This is something that... I remember
you bringing this idea into work, Chris.

942
00:45:41,573 --> 00:45:45,168
The idea of going non-linear
with this sequence.

943
00:45:46,578 --> 00:45:49,570
Going back and forth, yeah.
Cutting ahead.

944
00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:52,545
We always had that struggle of trying
to keep the documentary alive...

945
00:45:52,717 --> 00:45:56,278
...because sometimes
it would just become too narrative.

946
00:45:56,454 --> 00:45:59,651
We're trying to tell the story
and we forget that it's a documentary.

947
00:45:59,824 --> 00:46:02,156
And we'd push ourselves
to keep that alive...

948
00:46:02,327 --> 00:46:04,295
...and others would push us too.

949
00:46:04,462 --> 00:46:08,762
So wherever we could,
we tried to keep those bits going.

950
00:46:10,168 --> 00:46:12,762
And then the fun idea, too,
that came in late.

951
00:46:12,937 --> 00:46:16,168
Not late. I mean, it's always there,
but I think we just kind of lost it...

952
00:46:16,341 --> 00:46:18,502
...in the second act a bit.

953
00:46:18,676 --> 00:46:23,807
So we tried to keep that alive
and it started here, I think.

954
00:46:24,682 --> 00:46:26,582
Because this sequence
was a little more melancholy...

955
00:46:26,751 --> 00:46:27,911
...than we really wanted.

956
00:46:28,086 --> 00:46:30,316
- Yeah, Z was too down.
- Yeah.

957
00:46:30,488 --> 00:46:33,457
And we realized,
if he's gonna be the mentor...

958
00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:37,625
...he's gotta be the one who realizes,
"Wait, what are we doing? We're...

959
00:46:37,795 --> 00:46:39,160
We should be having a great time."

960
00:46:39,330 --> 00:46:42,925
And even Z hasn't been having a good
time and when he realizes that...

961
00:46:44,602 --> 00:46:47,196
...then it's time for him to be
a great teacher to Cody.

962
00:46:47,372 --> 00:46:50,933
And also, you know,
Cody, for Z, is a way of kind of...

963
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:53,907
...reconciling with his past
because he's...

964
00:46:54,078 --> 00:46:57,047
Cody is kind of like Z was as a kid.

965
00:46:57,215 --> 00:47:00,582
Z is what Cody might be
if he goes down the wrong path...

966
00:47:00,752 --> 00:47:03,220
...where winning becomes
everything.

967
00:47:03,388 --> 00:47:05,822
And if it's everything,
it's not gonna...

968
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:07,548
Being the champion,
you're not gonna be on top forever.

969
00:47:07,725 --> 00:47:10,421
And what your life's like,
when your glory days are behind you?

970
00:47:10,595 --> 00:47:11,960
- So...
- Right.

971
00:47:12,130 --> 00:47:14,291
That was a strong hook in the movie,
I think, is that...

972
00:47:14,465 --> 00:47:18,094
...they're the same character
essentially separated by time.

973
00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:26,201
This is a huge moment
for Lani in this sequence, I mean...

974
00:47:26,711 --> 00:47:30,408
A little nod to Denise Koyama
who storyboarded...

975
00:47:30,581 --> 00:47:33,311
...a lot of the Lani stuff.

976
00:47:33,484 --> 00:47:36,544
You know, being guys,
we just didn't understand the girl.

977
00:47:36,721 --> 00:47:39,212
And she brought a warmth
into this character...

978
00:47:39,390 --> 00:47:44,760
...and the slight sense of romance
building between Cody and Lani.

979
00:47:44,929 --> 00:47:46,590
I think it's a really lovely...

980
00:47:46,764 --> 00:47:48,459
Ash, you rewrote
some of this stuff too.

981
00:47:48,633 --> 00:47:51,124
- That's right.
- That kooky stuff she does.

982
00:47:51,302 --> 00:47:53,031
Yeah, the waterfall stuff and all.

983
00:47:53,204 --> 00:47:55,798
- That's great. That's good.
- Yeah.

984
00:47:56,407 --> 00:47:58,204
What was the whole thing
with the lava tube?

985
00:47:58,376 --> 00:48:02,142
Because we knew that we were really
pushing the rules of a documentary...

986
00:48:02,313 --> 00:48:03,871
...in a camera following them
down here.

987
00:48:04,048 --> 00:48:08,951
Well, there's a parallel track
through...

988
00:48:09,954 --> 00:48:11,581
...the ride coming up.

989
00:48:11,756 --> 00:48:13,553
- Yes.
- And that's how the camera followed.

990
00:48:13,725 --> 00:48:14,714
Yeah.

991
00:48:14,892 --> 00:48:17,417
Bravest cameraman
in the history of animation.

992
00:48:17,595 --> 00:48:19,927
- We lost a few.
- Yeah.

993
00:48:20,765 --> 00:48:22,392
All right!

994
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:25,999
But James Williams came up
with this idea of a parallel track.

995
00:48:26,804 --> 00:48:29,773
- To make it more believable...
- How'd they get ahead of them there?

996
00:48:29,941 --> 00:48:32,239
Yeah, how did they...? How are they
ahead of them?

997
00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:34,469
- Where's the camera...?
- I track... You know what?

998
00:48:34,645 --> 00:48:37,113
- The guy's Welsh, I can't explain it.
- Yeah.

999
00:48:37,281 --> 00:48:39,806
And by the way,
penguins didn't invent surfing.

1000
00:48:40,418 --> 00:48:43,649
- You're kidding.
- Yeah, I know it's surprising.

1001
00:48:43,821 --> 00:48:45,584
Man, all this time.

1002
00:48:46,758 --> 00:48:49,056
This idea came up...
I'm not sure where it originated.

1003
00:48:49,227 --> 00:48:50,489
We were well into production...

1004
00:48:50,661 --> 00:48:53,926
...and then somebody read about
how the Hawaiians were doing this...

1005
00:48:54,098 --> 00:48:55,190
...2000 years ago.

1006
00:48:55,366 --> 00:48:56,924
They called it lava sledding.

1007
00:48:57,101 --> 00:49:00,229
- Jerry had been to Hawaii.
- Yeah, yeah.

1008
00:49:00,938 --> 00:49:03,429
And glow worms really do exist.

1009
00:49:03,608 --> 00:49:06,406
- Yeah, it was...
- That really is their poop.

1010
00:49:06,577 --> 00:49:08,101
Yeah, the glowing stuff
is their poop.

1011
00:49:08,279 --> 00:49:10,008
Now, maybe they don't output
that much.

1012
00:49:10,181 --> 00:49:12,445
I don't think so. I hope not.

1013
00:49:12,617 --> 00:49:15,211
These guys are big eaters
on Pen Gu.

1014
00:49:15,386 --> 00:49:17,286
A little known fact that
that's actually radioactive.

1015
00:49:17,455 --> 00:49:21,721
We're kind of concerned
about Cody, I think.

1016
00:49:23,227 --> 00:49:25,559
Yeah, Ash, the stuff
coming up here.

1017
00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:30,190
You wrote this beautiful stuff
between Cody and Lani.

1018
00:49:31,702 --> 00:49:34,330
Look at that, look at the sentiment
of that. It's just...

1019
00:49:34,505 --> 00:49:37,963
I think that was Zooey-ism, right?
That stink-stink thing?

1020
00:49:38,142 --> 00:49:39,439
No, that was Ash.

1021
00:49:39,610 --> 00:49:40,770
That was an Ash-ism.

1022
00:49:40,945 --> 00:49:44,210
What happened is you...
You know, well, you'd...

1023
00:49:44,382 --> 00:49:47,476
You're with actors and you kind of
get to know their voices...

1024
00:49:47,652 --> 00:49:49,517
...and we could all go back.
We can all write.

1025
00:49:49,687 --> 00:49:52,349
Yeah. You're right because it's one
of the last scenes we did.

1026
00:49:52,523 --> 00:49:54,855
You just got to know
their voices after a while...

1027
00:49:55,026 --> 00:49:57,324
...and they talk to you in your head.

1028
00:49:59,197 --> 00:50:00,858
Oh, do they talk to you
in your head?

1029
00:50:01,032 --> 00:50:03,523
- You know, I never had that, Ash.
- Oh, okay.

1030
00:50:03,701 --> 00:50:05,794
We can cut that.

1031
00:50:06,337 --> 00:50:09,033
He's my uncle.
He's the only family I've got.

1032
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,000
- There she is.
- Bucktoothed Lani.

1033
00:50:13,077 --> 00:50:15,136
- Even though penguins don't...
- Do they grow teeth?

1034
00:50:15,313 --> 00:50:16,302
I'm not sure.

1035
00:50:16,481 --> 00:50:20,918
No, I think that might have been
some kind of snack food...

1036
00:50:21,085 --> 00:50:23,576
...that she was eating at that time.
It just looks like a tooth.

1037
00:50:23,754 --> 00:50:26,848
- It was a lucky photograph.
- Oh, it was a snack food.

1038
00:50:33,464 --> 00:50:37,560
Another great song
that came in from a band called...

1039
00:50:37,735 --> 00:50:39,828
- Dirty Heads.
- Dirty Heads.

1040
00:50:41,205 --> 00:50:42,832
Slow mo, we slowed that down,
didn't we?

1041
00:50:43,007 --> 00:50:44,269
Didn't we stretch it?

1042
00:50:44,442 --> 00:50:46,501
- Yeah.
- Is that what it's called?

1043
00:50:47,245 --> 00:50:49,406
We were down in the wire.
We had a shorter scene...

1044
00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:51,241
...and then we just...
We wanted to...

1045
00:50:51,415 --> 00:50:53,576
We wanted the music
to hit certain beats...

1046
00:50:53,751 --> 00:50:55,582
...and, you know, really swell here.

1047
00:50:55,753 --> 00:50:58,278
- So we open up a couple of the shots.
- Can we stretch it?

1048
00:50:58,456 --> 00:50:59,923
I think it was all carefully planned...

1049
00:51:00,091 --> 00:51:01,956
...you guys are just
making this up now.

1050
00:51:02,126 --> 00:51:04,424
No, no. They have
a stretching machine.

1051
00:51:04,929 --> 00:51:07,159
There was the idea of that...
That curl of wood...

1052
00:51:07,331 --> 00:51:10,323
...looking like the wave,
which is kind of nice little...

1053
00:51:10,501 --> 00:51:11,661
Oh, that's right. Yeah.

1054
00:51:11,836 --> 00:51:13,895
- Little thing that we threw in there.
- We tried.

1055
00:51:14,071 --> 00:51:15,902
It was out there.

1056
00:51:19,744 --> 00:51:22,474
That's pretty good
for a second board.

1057
00:51:24,215 --> 00:51:26,342
- Pretty good job.
- The ones that he damaged...

1058
00:51:26,517 --> 00:51:28,644
...before we got to this state.

1059
00:51:28,953 --> 00:51:30,818
- No.
- Let's see here.

1060
00:51:31,556 --> 00:51:34,024
Don't try this at home, by the way.

1061
00:51:36,527 --> 00:51:39,189
Come on! Come on!

1062
00:51:40,197 --> 00:51:42,392
I think this is the most beautiful scene
in the movie.

1063
00:51:42,567 --> 00:51:43,932
I love this one.

1064
00:51:44,969 --> 00:51:48,405
We wanted to bring in the concept
of the tube as a...

1065
00:51:48,873 --> 00:51:51,103
Because we...
We went down to Trussels...

1066
00:51:51,275 --> 00:51:54,108
It's a surf spot near San Diego.
- and we interviewed real surfers.

1067
00:51:54,278 --> 00:51:56,576
They're the voices
that you hear coming up.

1068
00:51:56,747 --> 00:51:58,977
And we just started to realize that...

1069
00:51:59,350 --> 00:52:02,217
Yeah, surfing is competitive,
but there's also a real spiritual side.

1070
00:52:02,386 --> 00:52:07,380
Everybody kept talking about
what it's like to be inside the barrel.

1071
00:52:07,825 --> 00:52:10,851
And we just knew we had
to incorporate it into the movie...

1072
00:52:11,028 --> 00:52:12,586
...and it became...

1073
00:52:14,065 --> 00:52:18,934
Became the metaphor, I think,
or the theme, in a way.

1074
00:52:19,103 --> 00:52:21,071
Wait, wait, that's Toby, Cody.

1075
00:52:21,238 --> 00:52:22,865
It became the metaphor
of the symbol.

1076
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,871
- Tobey, Tubey?
- This is Surf's Up...

1077
00:52:25,042 --> 00:52:27,670
...not Spider-Man,
ladies and gentlemen.

1078
00:52:28,446 --> 00:52:31,472
Isn't it? I thought we were talking
about Spider-Man all this time.

1079
00:52:31,649 --> 00:52:35,210
No, it was Cody's thing.
It was Cody to be tubed.

1080
00:52:35,386 --> 00:52:36,614
Right, to get tubed.

1081
00:52:36,787 --> 00:52:38,778
- It's not what he wanted to...
- Be one with the wave.

1082
00:52:38,956 --> 00:52:41,083
- you know, necessarily do but...

1083
00:52:41,258 --> 00:52:43,522
Well, here, this moment right here
sums it all up...

1084
00:52:43,694 --> 00:52:45,662
...for where Cody still is.

1085
00:52:45,830 --> 00:52:48,799
Yeah, "How many points
can I score for getting barreled?"

1086
00:52:48,966 --> 00:52:53,801
Didn't understand the spiritual
quality of being one with the water.

1087
00:52:53,971 --> 00:52:56,997
Now, Reggie Belafonte
is not a gopher.

1088
00:52:57,174 --> 00:52:58,835
- He is not a...
- Koala bear.

1089
00:52:59,010 --> 00:53:01,410
- Koala, hedgehog.
- We're here to tell you... What is he?

1090
00:53:01,579 --> 00:53:03,774
- We're here to tell you.
- He is a sea otter.

1091
00:53:03,948 --> 00:53:06,940
- Sea otter.
- Okay.

1092
00:53:07,118 --> 00:53:08,052
- So chosen because...
- Look at the feet.

1093
00:53:08,052 --> 00:53:08,746
- So chosen because...
- Look at the feet.

1094
00:53:08,919 --> 00:53:11,251
Is that his real hair, do you think?

1095
00:53:11,422 --> 00:53:12,650
- I don't know.
- Hard to say.

1096
00:53:12,823 --> 00:53:15,883
I've never seen a sea otter
like that personally, but, you know...

1097
00:53:17,895 --> 00:53:21,456
He's a sea otter because of...

1098
00:53:21,632 --> 00:53:24,465
He's a sort of a manipulative guy.

1099
00:53:24,935 --> 00:53:27,665
- And sea otters are very manipulative.
- They have hands.

1100
00:53:27,838 --> 00:53:29,999
- That's great.
- Oh, they have hands.

1101
00:53:31,809 --> 00:53:33,242
Did you ever go to...

1102
00:53:34,779 --> 00:53:38,271
...Monterey and watch how
they pick pockets and stuff.

1103
00:53:38,783 --> 00:53:40,808
I get it. You guys look hungry.

1104
00:53:40,985 --> 00:53:42,475
So Joe got away
from the natives.

1105
00:53:42,653 --> 00:53:44,587
We had to bring him back.

1106
00:53:45,956 --> 00:53:48,720
Now, the Pen Guan language
is similar to Hovitos.

1107
00:53:50,094 --> 00:53:52,858
Hukana matusa means, I think,
"kill him" in Hovitos...

1108
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:55,897
...but in Pen Guan,
it means "tastes like chicken."

1109
00:53:56,067 --> 00:53:58,331
So there's no confusion.

1110
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:04,371
Squids can actually
either be made into a snack food...

1111
00:54:04,542 --> 00:54:08,137
...or into a life preserver on Pen Gu,
by the way.

1112
00:54:08,779 --> 00:54:11,304
- What face?
- Oh, man.

1113
00:54:11,782 --> 00:54:13,909
They go pink when you cook them.

1114
00:54:15,553 --> 00:54:18,716
That was all improv to. Reed's...

1115
00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:21,353
It wasn't true.

1116
00:54:23,661 --> 00:54:26,528
It was the improv of...
Reese was actually...

1117
00:54:26,697 --> 00:54:29,291
- That 's right.
- Sitting at home recording that line...

1118
00:54:29,467 --> 00:54:31,492
...and the cat...
- Oh, the cat.

1119
00:54:31,669 --> 00:54:34,399
The cat had a trouser cough
as we call it back in Wales.

1120
00:54:34,572 --> 00:54:36,972
Cat had too many
bean burritos that night.

1121
00:54:37,141 --> 00:54:38,438
And she responded to that.

1122
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:42,001
Hey, Z! Come on!

1123
00:54:42,179 --> 00:54:44,113
- Where you going?
- I thought we were going to train.

1124
00:54:44,281 --> 00:54:47,739
Not in the water. Jeez.
What are you thinking?

1125
00:54:48,786 --> 00:54:50,686
And this all became...
Again, last minute thing.

1126
00:54:50,855 --> 00:54:52,015
All became about fun also.

1127
00:54:52,189 --> 00:54:53,588
- Yeah, originally...
- The training...

1128
00:54:53,758 --> 00:54:55,749
It was real nuts-and-bolts
training like...

1129
00:54:55,926 --> 00:54:58,190
Here's how you balance on a board
and here's how you turn.

1130
00:54:58,362 --> 00:55:00,523
There's a little leftover
with the rock thing, right?

1131
00:55:00,698 --> 00:55:01,687
Yeah.

1132
00:55:01,866 --> 00:55:03,128
But this was Ed again, right?

1133
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:08,363
Ed Gombert had done a lot of stuff,
initially. I know that...

1134
00:55:08,539 --> 00:55:10,871
I think I actually brought
a lot of gags in here too...

1135
00:55:11,041 --> 00:55:13,339
...but the pineapple slices
on the eyes was from...

1136
00:55:13,511 --> 00:55:16,674
Yeah, that came from the scene
you mentioned earlier.

1137
00:55:17,515 --> 00:55:21,315
That was a line improvved by Jeff.

1138
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,886
Right, so we added that music back in
and sort of...

1139
00:55:25,055 --> 00:55:27,216
- That sitar.
- Sitar.

1140
00:55:27,391 --> 00:55:30,087
Okay, how did Jeff do that, guys?

1141
00:55:30,261 --> 00:55:31,558
He was talking about...

1142
00:55:31,729 --> 00:55:34,197
He wanted us to show him
doing this great wave...

1143
00:55:34,365 --> 00:55:35,889
...and he acted out this whole thing.

1144
00:55:36,066 --> 00:55:38,057
- How he would surf the wave.
- Surf the wave.

1145
00:55:38,235 --> 00:55:40,226
He was not...
He didn't think he was on mike, right?

1146
00:55:40,404 --> 00:55:43,635
- Yeah.
- He's just showing us, so it's all real.

1147
00:55:43,808 --> 00:55:45,002
These are the kind of tricks...

1148
00:55:45,176 --> 00:55:47,667
...we used to play on each other
in making a movie.

1149
00:55:48,078 --> 00:55:50,103
Pineapples on the eyes.

1150
00:55:50,281 --> 00:55:51,543
Yeah.

1151
00:55:51,715 --> 00:55:53,910
Can I take them off now?

1152
00:55:54,885 --> 00:55:55,986
Ash and I do the interviewers
throughout the movie...

1153
00:55:55,986 --> 00:55:57,112
Ash and I do the interviewers
throughout the movie...

1154
00:55:57,288 --> 00:55:59,381
...so those are our voices.

1155
00:56:00,825 --> 00:56:02,725
Whether you like them or not.

1156
00:56:03,494 --> 00:56:05,086
I love them.

1157
00:56:06,263 --> 00:56:08,128
You owe me 20 bucks for that.

1158
00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:10,630
Where's my wallet?

1159
00:56:10,968 --> 00:56:14,665
Now, this used to be a heck
of a lot more comp