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A CINEBIOGRAPHY OF

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SÉRGIO BUARQUE DE HOLANDA

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RAÍZES DO BRASIL SQUARE

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Everybody's here already.

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Some of my children
some of my grandchildren,

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some of my great-grandchildren...

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People say that I grew a little,
but that 's not true.

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The whole tribe is here.

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Sweetheart!

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Sérgio is up there feeling
very envious of me.

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We first met by the Jockey Club
one night during Carnaval.

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Then we went to Lido,

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cheerful place during Carnaval.

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People dancing, having fun...

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What about the courtship,
the engagement?

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There's not much to tell.
It just happened.

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That 's all.

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Dad loved telling incidents.
I also like telling incidents.

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Daddy would start telling an incident,
then he'd abruptly

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change to another,
would start telling something else...

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Some people would catch on,
but some would get completely lost.

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Some of his pupils loved
the way he told them,

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but some were dazed with his total
lack of objectiveness.

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He would teach his classes
like that, totally absentminded.

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The first time I set foot
in a nightclub was when mom

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went to Rio for a couple of days and
left us at home with Nanny, daddy...

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Vinícius de Moraes called daddy
and said, "We're here at The Cave",

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which was a very fashionable place
in São Paulo at the time.

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So he said, "Why don't you
drop by? Everybody's here".

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Daddy couldn't resist.

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He took me there,
and Vinícius thought I was very cute.

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In no time I was at the microphone

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singing to a playback
with the songs of Black Orpheus,

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which I knew quite well. Then people
started taking my singing seriously.

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The lights were dimmed,
a spotlight was shone on me,

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and I thought, "This is
what singing is all about".

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That 's when it dawned on me

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how pleasant it was
to sing, to perform.

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We hadn't settled
on a key, on anything,

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but everything worked out fine.

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And daddy was so proud.
He was marveled.

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Paulinho, you could do that
in an easier key to sing.

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Let 's try it anyway. I'll learn
the song. Let 's do it again.

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Daddy said that the first time
I ever showed any response

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was when he sang that old song
by Braguinha, "Touradas em Madri".

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I met a Spanlsh lady
who grabbed bulls with her hands

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Daddy would do something
very scary.

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I guess I got very frightened,
and he'd be very amused

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by the way I responded.

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I also remember an argument
over the samba"Pelo Telefone",

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if it actually had been
the first samba ever composed.

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And daddy would say, "No, I met
Donga. I knew all those guys".

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And uncle Jaime
would sing "Pé de Anjo".

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Angel feet, angel feet
you are a slnner, a slnner

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Your feet are so blg
you mlght crush Our Lord

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Stuff like that,
and lots of Carnaval music.

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And mom would sing those songs about
women being beaten, rascal's wives.

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There's no love Ilke
a rascal's, my Lord

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I've never seen
such passlon

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If he beats you
it's because he Ilkes you

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forto beat someone you dlsllke
I've never heard of

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A lot of partying went on
at our house.

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Mom knew that daddy
was an incorrigible bohemian.

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Before I was born,
they had a short period

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when they could party,
but that was abroad,

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and since mom is
a very devout catholic,

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she started having many children.
We are 7 brothers and sisters.

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So the partying was transferred
to our house.

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The sound daddy's typewriter made
was an unrivaled lullaby...

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the old typewriter.
It sounded like...

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I'd fall asleep listening to that.

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Sometimes when he was writing,
when he was working on an idea,

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it was like a musician trying out
chords, and he would type...

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and when he'd find the right idea...

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Very well done.

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You drink scotch very well.

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When Sérgio wrote,
you could say he became possessed.

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It was like a fever.

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He would write sitting
on his easy chair.

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When he'd written a few pages,

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he'd type them.

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When he didn't like the result,
he'd crumple sheets of paper

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and threw them on the floor.

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After a while there floor was covered

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with crumpled sheets of paper.

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And when he had written
a certain amount of pages,

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he'd type them.

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Then he proofread them
and typed them again.

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He was very thorough in his work.

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It took a long time for him
to consider his job done.

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Only after a lot of pages
had been handwritten and torn,

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a lot of pages had been
typed and torn,

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he would consider the job done
and then sent it to his publisher.

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Irene!

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Let 's get out of here.
I'm sick of teaching classes!

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Daddy's study, on the contrary,
was a big mess,

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and the books weren't stored
only in his study.

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They started taking up space
in the corridors.

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This was at the last house
we lived in on Buri Street.

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Daddy didn't want anybody
messing with his books.

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Daddy spent part of his day,
probably after he retired,

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he spent part of his day
in his study.

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I recall that he read much more
than he wrote, you see.

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But he also wrote a lot.

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It was the same before he retired.

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At night he was usually alone
in his study,

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to which our access
was restricted.

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Except for Baía,
who was his favorite daughter.

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She could go in anytime.

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I recall that once a friend
dropped by on the night

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of December 24th, Christmas Eve,
he saw Dad in his study and said,

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"Sergito, even on Christmas Eve
he reads books in his study"!

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That 's right. He really enjoyed
reading, he enjoyed his work.

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Wonderful, isn't it?
That 's a rare thing.

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Very few people manage it.

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When I was admitted
to the Economics course,

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gradually, after I graduated,

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Daddy gave me some
of his books on Economics.

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This one for instance,
this is a book

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that I researched a lot
for a recent study,

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"History of Economic Analysis",
by Schumpeter.

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And this one too, by D. Dillard, which
covers the works of J. M. Keynes.

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We never knew if daddy was talking
seriously or if he was joking.

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So sometimes he was serious,
scolding us,

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and we thought he was just joking.
So then he'd explode, you see.

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Then he'd really lay it down on us.

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Irene!
João!

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"To João 'balalão, bread head',
from your loving grandfather.

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Sérgio, September 9th, 1978."

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This is the book
my grandfather gifted me.

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It 's been a long time
since I last read it.

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I was only a month old,
September 9th, 1978.

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I was born August 19th, 1978.

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"For Teresa, my 13th edition,
this book which is also on its

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13th edition, Sérgio, 'Pappyotto"',
with two 'p's and a 'y'.

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This is "Raízes do Brasil"
that Pappyotto gifted me,

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and it 's not...
it doesn't have a date on it,

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but it must have been in 198O,
the year I was born.

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I remember this incident.
Pappyotto and daddy

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were in the living room,
at Buri Street,

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and he was probably sitting
in his big leather easy chair.

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I got back from school
and kissed him on his lips.

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So he got up and started
shouting around the house,

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"She kissed me on the lips!"

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This here is "Raízes do Brasil",
which Sérgio dedicated to me.

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He wrote a dedication to each
grandchild and, when he wrote mine,

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my mother was pregnant,
so he wrote,

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"To my 14th grandson
or granddaughter".

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They say it was the last thing
he wrote before he died.

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This was four days before he died.
His handwriting is shaky.

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I mentioned the ambiguity
of my father angry or joking.

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When I mention daddy angry,
it wasn't always because of

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noble work-related reasons,
because we were disturbing him.

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Sometimes he'd get upset
for childish reasons.

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I remember that, shortly after we
returned, we came live in São Paulo,

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there used to be a soccer championship
between state teams,

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and the São Paulo team had beaten
the Rio de Janeiro team,

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the neighborhood kids came over
and were hassling us,

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because we were from Rio.

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So we were cussing them from
a window, and they cussed us back,

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"Your mother is a whatever..."

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So Dad came to the living room
and started yelling at us,

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he was very angry at us
because we were

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cussing the 'Paulistas' and we
were defending the 'Cariocas'.

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And Dad, who knew nothing
about soccer,

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was defending the 'Paulista' kids.

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This jesting was characteristic
of him throughout his whole life.

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This combination
of seriousness and jesting.

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Once, Miúcha and some friends
were playing music downstairs,

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and he, not knowing
how to introduce himself,

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picked up this horn
used for herding cattle

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and entered the living room
blowing on the instrument.

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That 's how he introduced himself
to Miúcha's friends.

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I remember once Dad started
telling this incident,

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and mom said, "Sérgio,
you're exaggerating too much.

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It wasn't quite like that,
it happened like this..."

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Then he said, "Maria Amélia,
if I don't exaggerate a little bit,

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the story will seem dull".

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In his last days,
his last weeks,

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he lost some of his lucidity,
but not all of it, you see.

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He seldom went downstairs
by himself.

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But a couple of days
before he died, I was told,

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he went downstairs by himself

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and, when he got there,
he shouted, "Victory"!

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Two days later he died.
He was very sick, you see.

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The last thing he wrote
I think was...

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Irene showed the book,
was the dedication to her.

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Dad died the 24th.
The 2Oth was my birthday.

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We knew...

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her mommy was pregnant, and...

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One day mom called me
on the phone,

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daddy had come back from the doctor

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who'd said that there wasn't
much hope.

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So she gave us the bad news,
and I said,

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"So give him some good news,
you see, so he will..."

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After teaching classes
and hassling the students...

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Zeca... I need to have
a"caipirinha".

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Zeca is my nephew.

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Zeca can sit elsewhere.

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Today I gave them a test
and I flunked everybody,

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so I need to drink a...

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Baía, Zeca said that
at the library at UNICAMP

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the students say that at night
Dad's ghost turns on a light

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and sits there reading books...

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- Has he been filmed yet?
- The ghost?

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"To The Last Tango..."

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Sentimental itinerary...

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This was our first home
after we got married.

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On the first floor,
it had a living room

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and a bed room with a window.

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There was a balcony there,
where we put Miúcha's cradle.

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Vinícius de Moraes would visit us
and would stare at the child

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and say how beautiful she was.

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Sérgio was eager
to chat with Vinícius.

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Living here was very pleasant.

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Many friends came to visit,
the apartment brand new,

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nice and all...
We lived here for a year.

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The street looked different.
You didn't have so many buildings.

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There used to be low houses
and from the window

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you had a view of the sea.

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It was great.
I thank God for it.

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Did you like my narrative?

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Gosh, this building!
I loved it here.

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I was a young lady then.

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Three children, and Sérgio
working nonstop here.

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It was a fine period in our lives.

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...his study... his world.
I'd go in there sometimes,

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the books covering the walls

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and closing windows forever.

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All those books
were a mystery to me.

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What actually caught
my attention the most

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was a big dark-covered set

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"The Sermons of Father
Antonio Vieira".

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I don't know why Dad read them,
since he wasn't a religious person.

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But he read sermons
and more sermons,

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about twenty volumes
of Father Vieira's sermons.

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I can see my father getting home,
walking down Buri Street,

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walking down the street,

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00:19:43,929 --> 00:19:46,159
and it surprised me to see him
walk down the street at all,

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and even more to see him
walk swiftly down the hill.

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At supper, everyone
was seated at the table

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and mom would shout, "Sérgio!
Sérgio!", always, "Sérgio!",

243
00:20:00,546 --> 00:20:03,208
because he'd take a long while
to come downstairs to have dinner,

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00:20:03,415 --> 00:20:09,684
because he was always busy
at work reading or writing.

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00:20:10,956 --> 00:20:15,484
I never heard Dad mention
the books he wrote

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00:20:15,694 --> 00:20:16,718
or the things he was writing.

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00:20:16,929 --> 00:20:21,229
He talked a lot about
the literature he read,

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00:20:21,433 --> 00:20:25,028
all kinds of literature,
from Tolstoi to Little Lulu.

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00:20:25,237 --> 00:20:29,697
Everything he was reading
at the time or that he had read

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00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:32,901
would inspire him, and he'd say
a verse by Apollinaire

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00:20:33,112 --> 00:20:35,307
he'd quote authors
out of nowhere.

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00:20:35,514 --> 00:20:40,315
He talked a lot about
other author's literature.

253
00:20:40,519 --> 00:20:44,319
He never mentioned his writings.

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00:20:44,623 --> 00:20:49,117
Even in his book's dedications
to his sons, to his daughters,

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to his granddaughters,
he would write things such as,

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00:20:51,330 --> 00:20:54,026
"Don't read this book,
it 's too boring", things like that.

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00:20:54,233 --> 00:20:59,865
When I was about thirty years old,
I read "Raízes do Brasil".

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00:21:00,072 --> 00:21:02,734
It took a while and I said to him,
"Daddy, I'm reading 'Raízes do Brasil"'.

259
00:21:02,942 --> 00:21:06,173
And he said, "Don't. Read
'Visão do Paraíso'. It 's much better".

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00:21:08,314 --> 00:21:10,509
The recollections
I have of Hadock Lobo Street,

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00:21:10,716 --> 00:21:12,707
the early recollections
of São Paulo are mixed

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00:21:12,918 --> 00:21:15,978
with certain amount of fear
I had of my father.

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00:21:16,188 --> 00:21:19,715
I feared him because...
that 's exactly why I recall most

264
00:21:19,925 --> 00:21:23,827
the street, the soccer we played
at Hadock Lobo Street

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00:21:24,029 --> 00:21:26,589
and at a small unpaved road
called Taiarana Street.

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Sometimes I'd come home
hyped up,

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00:21:30,302 --> 00:21:35,069
shouting like if I were still playing,
and suddenly Dad,

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00:21:35,274 --> 00:21:39,506
who seldom scolded us,
sometimes he'd explode, you see.

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He'd come down from his study,
he'd walk down the stairs

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00:21:43,115 --> 00:21:46,141
and we'd know that hell
would brake loose.

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00:21:49,288 --> 00:21:52,257
Daddy didn't like children
all that much.

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He liked the girls,
their beauty,

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and his son's intelligence.

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Little children didn't

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amuse him very much.

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00:22:09,174 --> 00:22:14,874
Of course, when he detected
any sign of intelligence

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in a son or daughter,
he then allowed us in his study.

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I was allowed in his study
after the age of twenty.

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Before that,
I didn't go near his study.

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I'd walk by and see that person
with his glasses on his forehead

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and just kept on going.

282
00:22:42,841 --> 00:22:45,366
I remember all the expectation
regarding leaving for Italy.

283
00:22:45,577 --> 00:22:47,943
Because he'd sent...
he went to Italy ahead of us.

284
00:22:48,147 --> 00:22:52,584
He'd send us news

285
00:22:52,785 --> 00:22:55,219
about the house where
we were going to live.

286
00:22:55,421 --> 00:22:57,821
It was a wonderful house
with an elevator.

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00:22:58,023 --> 00:23:01,686
It was a house, not a building,
but a house with an elevator,

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a domestic, private elevator.

289
00:23:04,697 --> 00:23:06,927
We thought that was awesome,
a house with a yard,

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an elevator...

291
00:23:08,567 --> 00:23:11,661
When we arrived there,
it was already dark outside,

292
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it was cold, it was weird,
it was dark,

293
00:23:15,641 --> 00:23:19,668
and there was no heating. For some
reason, the heating wasn't on.

294
00:23:19,878 --> 00:23:24,611
So we arrived, and mom was upset,
I'm not sure what happened next.

295
00:23:24,817 --> 00:23:27,149
She looked around and
she didn't like what she saw.

296
00:23:27,353 --> 00:23:30,720
The elevator was actually
a small lift for food

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00:23:30,923 --> 00:23:34,791
since the kitchen was
on the ground floor

298
00:23:34,993 --> 00:23:40,260
and the dining room was upstairs,
so there was this food lift

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which sometimes would fall,
and we had this Italian maid...

300
00:23:45,871 --> 00:23:49,272
it would all fall on the ground,
and the maid would cry...

301
00:23:51,143 --> 00:23:53,703
and lunch or supper
would go to waste.

302
00:23:53,912 --> 00:23:57,439
In Italy, most of the apartment
buildings are called palaces.

303
00:23:57,649 --> 00:23:59,674
So we thought we were going
to live in a palace

304
00:23:59,885 --> 00:24:03,548
with a private elevator.

305
00:24:03,756 --> 00:24:07,624
Daddy had an Italian teacher
that I thought was beautiful,

306
00:24:07,826 --> 00:24:10,693
and I think mom was
a little jealous of her.

307
00:24:11,597 --> 00:24:16,000
In Europe, I started
to see Dad outdoors

308
00:24:16,201 --> 00:24:18,999
like I never saw him
in São Paulo.

309
00:24:20,305 --> 00:24:23,763
The image of my father outdoors
reminds me of Europe.

310
00:24:23,976 --> 00:24:28,504
It brings up a more relaxed,
healthier image of my father...

311
00:24:28,714 --> 00:24:35,176
the two years spent in Europe.

312
00:24:40,025 --> 00:24:44,485
To start writing was the cue
allowing me in his study.

313
00:24:44,696 --> 00:24:46,220
So I started writing
some things,

314
00:24:46,432 --> 00:24:49,401
and I'd hand them to him
and I'd leave and be frightened

315
00:24:49,601 --> 00:24:52,866
as he read it with a serious look on
his face, his glasses on his forehead...

316
00:24:53,071 --> 00:24:55,972
He'd read,
and then he'd call me and say,

317
00:24:56,175 --> 00:24:59,201
"You need to read more," and so on.
"But there's quality here".

318
00:24:59,411 --> 00:25:02,312
He would make some observations
not to discourage me,

319
00:25:02,514 --> 00:25:05,347
"You could read this
or you could read that..."

320
00:25:05,551 --> 00:25:09,146
He'd suggest some books.

321
00:25:09,354 --> 00:25:14,417
That environment itself
suggested a lot,

322
00:25:14,626 --> 00:25:16,617
all those books of his...

323
00:25:18,497 --> 00:25:24,993
Dad and I had a nearly
professional relationship,

324
00:25:25,204 --> 00:25:31,632
and one day he gave me a book,

325
00:25:31,877 --> 00:25:36,109
which I understood
as a passing down of a scepter.

326
00:25:36,315 --> 00:25:40,411
I have this book till today.
It 's an analogical dictionary,

327
00:25:40,619 --> 00:25:45,022
of related ideas,
and it 's delicious to read.

328
00:25:45,224 --> 00:25:48,421
Your mind travels far with the words,
and he used it all his life.

329
00:25:48,627 --> 00:25:52,119
When he gave it to me,
it was quite withered, and today,

330
00:25:52,331 --> 00:25:57,826
if I don't hold it carefully,
it will come apart in my hands.

331
00:25:59,037 --> 00:26:03,701
Here in Rio, what I liked
was socializing with friends.

332
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:05,308
I've talked a lot about them,
haven't I?

333
00:26:06,745 --> 00:26:11,978
Very dear friends we had
throughout our whole lives.

334
00:26:15,287 --> 00:26:16,982
Vinícius de Moraes visited us
often at Buri Street,

335
00:26:17,189 --> 00:26:21,091
and he'd bring his friends over.

336
00:26:21,293 --> 00:26:25,696
I remember Vinícius when Bossa Nova
was just beginning.

337
00:26:25,898 --> 00:26:27,991
Him with Baden Powell,
Alaíde Costa...

338
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,931
And people would show up.
It became a...

339
00:26:32,137 --> 00:26:36,767
And it went on. You came to Rio,
and he kept on showing up

340
00:26:36,975 --> 00:26:38,374
with his friends at our house.

341
00:26:38,577 --> 00:26:42,411
I think he became closer
to daddy during that period

342
00:26:42,614 --> 00:26:46,243
at Buri Street, you see. I have
the impression he went there often.

343
00:26:46,451 --> 00:26:48,681
Even after he died,
Vinícius still dropped by.

344
00:26:48,887 --> 00:26:50,479
Vinícius? Sure.

345
00:26:50,689 --> 00:26:53,385
There's this famous tale
that they had agreed...

346
00:26:53,592 --> 00:26:56,527
I'm not sure which one of them
was more afraid of dying,

347
00:26:56,728 --> 00:26:58,821
so they agreed that whoever
died first had to appear

348
00:26:59,031 --> 00:27:00,157
before the other and tell
how things were after death.

349
00:27:00,365 --> 00:27:02,799
- Remember that?
- And Vinícius appeared to him.

350
00:27:03,502 --> 00:27:07,996
They even switched hats
behind the glass door.

351
00:27:08,206 --> 00:27:10,037
Daddy was very sad.

352
00:27:10,242 --> 00:27:12,335
When Vinícius appeared,
daddy asked,

353
00:27:12,544 --> 00:27:14,944
"Hurry, Vinícius,
tell me what it 's like".

354
00:27:15,147 --> 00:27:18,082
And Vinícius did like this...
and vanished.

355
00:27:19,885 --> 00:27:23,082
He liked gossiping, you see.
Daddy would instigate Vinícius

356
00:27:23,288 --> 00:27:25,620
to tell incidents involving
his former wives.

357
00:27:25,824 --> 00:27:29,555
Daddy loved listening
to Vinícius gossip.

358
00:27:29,761 --> 00:27:33,128
Vinícius had many incidents to tell

359
00:27:33,332 --> 00:27:35,323
and daddy loved gossiping.

360
00:27:35,534 --> 00:27:38,560
Regarding historical facts,
he liked most the gossip.

361
00:27:38,770 --> 00:27:42,262
What he didn't write
in books, he told us.

362
00:27:42,474 --> 00:27:45,307
Dom Pedro's pubic hair
he sent in a letter to...

363
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:46,841
No. That was the Duque of Caxias,
who sent a pubic hair...

364
00:27:47,045 --> 00:27:49,377
Oh, it was the Duque of Caxia's
pubic hair?

365
00:27:49,581 --> 00:27:52,277
I guess there's another
pubic hair incident...

366
00:27:52,484 --> 00:27:54,975
He loved the incident
about the pubic hair.

367
00:27:55,187 --> 00:27:57,917
Sending pubic hairs in letters
was a fad at the time...

368
00:27:58,123 --> 00:28:00,785
Pubic hairs in letters...
that was great.

369
00:28:00,993 --> 00:28:04,087
The friendship between Dad
and Vinícius generated offsprings.

370
00:28:04,296 --> 00:28:08,426
Their children became friends.
He would mention the family thing...

371
00:28:08,634 --> 00:28:13,003
That they formed a new family,
the Buarque de Moraes.

372
00:28:13,205 --> 00:28:14,900
Their friendship exceeded
their generation.

373
00:28:15,107 --> 00:28:18,702
Vinícius is my daughter
Silvia's godfather.

374
00:28:20,912 --> 00:28:26,509
The Buarque de Holanda family...
they envy each other so much!

375
00:28:26,718 --> 00:28:31,655
Who is the favorite uncle,
the favorite cousin...

376
00:28:31,857 --> 00:28:35,258
Who likes who best.
Who Pappyotto liked best.

377
00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:37,189
Who Memélia liked best.

378
00:28:37,396 --> 00:28:41,457
One day, Bebel, the granddaughter
who saw Pappyotto most often,

379
00:28:41,667 --> 00:28:44,659
the eldest granddaughter
who lived with him for a while...

380
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:47,805
Once Bebel said,
"I went to Pappyotto's study

381
00:28:48,006 --> 00:28:49,371
and asked him which
granddaughter he liked best,

382
00:28:49,574 --> 00:28:51,132
and he said it was me".

383
00:28:51,343 --> 00:28:55,143
So I, very impudently,
waited a while

384
00:28:55,347 --> 00:28:58,475
and, that same day,
maybe ten minutes later,

385
00:28:58,684 --> 00:29:01,050
I went to his study and he was
reading or writing, I'm not sure.

386
00:29:01,253 --> 00:29:02,948
"Papyotto, which granddaughter
do you like best?"

387
00:29:03,155 --> 00:29:04,520
He said, "You".

388
00:29:05,857 --> 00:29:08,451
Papyotto autographed
a copy of "Raízes do Brasil"

389
00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:11,595
for each grandchild,
and here's mine.

390
00:29:14,099 --> 00:29:16,567
"Silvia, who learned
to write at the age of four..."

391
00:29:16,768 --> 00:29:19,202
He's exaggerating,
"...and I, at the age of five,

392
00:29:19,404 --> 00:29:21,702
do not ever read this book,
which is more than

393
00:29:21,907 --> 00:29:26,310
four-hundred years old.
Regards from Sérgio, Papyotto".

394
00:29:28,046 --> 00:29:29,741
We seldom saw each other.
I think the three of us

395
00:29:29,948 --> 00:29:33,440
are the granddaughters who were less
in contact with Pappyotto.

396
00:29:33,652 --> 00:29:37,850
That 's why we have
so few recollections of him.

397
00:29:39,024 --> 00:29:44,690
Some years ago, I started getting
interested in academic subjects

398
00:29:44,896 --> 00:29:50,926
because I majored in Philosophy,
and through a friend,

399
00:29:51,136 --> 00:29:54,628
a colleague who had read it,
recommended it to me.

400
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,831
Incredible, isn't it?

401
00:29:57,042 --> 00:30:00,910
I liked it a lot.
I read "Raízes do Brasil"

402
00:30:01,113 --> 00:30:03,411
and was highly impressed.

403
00:30:03,615 --> 00:30:05,242
I wonder why I took
so long to read it.

404
00:30:05,450 --> 00:30:09,750
It seemed very keen,
and very well written.

405
00:30:09,955 --> 00:30:14,551
It was beautiful, and I loved
the ideas... the content.

406
00:30:24,669 --> 00:30:26,569
I remember the house
on Buri Street

407
00:30:26,772 --> 00:30:28,399
when all the grandchildren
were brought together.

408
00:30:28,607 --> 00:30:31,167
Usually there were
many children there.

409
00:30:31,376 --> 00:30:34,402
He enjoyed showing us his study,

410
00:30:34,613 --> 00:30:39,141
all those books,
a big mess, all stacked up,

411
00:30:39,351 --> 00:30:42,115
but he knew where
each book was placed.

412
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,915
He liked very much to show us
his microfilm machine.

413
00:30:46,124 --> 00:30:49,059
Several of his books
were microfilmed.

414
00:30:49,261 --> 00:30:51,752
He liked very much to turn on
the machine on

415
00:30:51,963 --> 00:30:54,295
and show it to the kids.

416
00:30:54,499 --> 00:30:57,127
The roll was very small,
he put it in the machine

417
00:30:57,335 --> 00:30:58,632
and that green light came on...

418
00:30:58,837 --> 00:31:02,500
PC's weren't popular back then
and we were very impressed.

419
00:31:02,707 --> 00:31:04,766
He would show us the microfilms.
I couldn't read, but it seemed

420
00:31:04,976 --> 00:31:07,809
so beautiful to me,
all that writing,

421
00:31:08,013 --> 00:31:10,004
the book projected.

422
00:31:10,215 --> 00:31:14,117
He would always create
an atmosphere of mystery

423
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:18,255
and enchantment, so the kids
would be very impressed.

424
00:31:18,924 --> 00:31:23,452
I studied History
at the university for two years

425
00:31:23,662 --> 00:31:27,894
and of course I studied
"Raízes do Brasil".

426
00:31:28,099 --> 00:31:32,195
I liked "Visão do Paraíso" a lot.

427
00:31:35,907 --> 00:31:39,035
That 's when I really got to know
Sérgio Buarque de Holanda,

428
00:31:39,244 --> 00:31:42,475
because before that he was
Pappyotto, my grandfather.

429
00:31:42,848 --> 00:31:45,908
Cinema at home...

430
00:31:46,618 --> 00:31:49,246
Everything OK?

431
00:31:51,256 --> 00:31:53,121
How wonderful...

432
00:31:53,325 --> 00:31:58,092
How are you, gentlemen?
Everything OK?

433
00:31:58,296 --> 00:32:02,096
We were talking about you
on our way from the airport.

434
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:03,858
That you would be here.

435
00:32:04,069 --> 00:32:10,065
Bruno... the whole family is here.

436
00:32:12,043 --> 00:32:15,911
- Talked about Pappyotto yet?
- Sit down and say something too.

437
00:32:16,114 --> 00:32:16,978
You want me to say something
about Pappyotto?

438
00:32:17,182 --> 00:32:21,516
- Sure. What should I say?
- That 's up to you.

439
00:32:24,422 --> 00:32:28,722
Her father and her grandfather
I know through books.

440
00:32:28,927 --> 00:32:31,225
I have to say something.
He thought my grandfather

441
00:32:31,429 --> 00:32:36,765
was Aurélio,
the author of the dictionary.

442
00:32:36,968 --> 00:32:39,528
But my grandfather is Sérgio,
he didn't write the dictionary.

443
00:32:39,738 --> 00:32:42,229
He had quite a vocabulary...
I actually thought he'd written it.

444
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,434
I was very frustrated. "Mister Aurélio
wasn't your grandfather,

445
00:32:47,646 --> 00:32:50,945
such an illustrious character."
"My grandfather was a historian..."

446
00:32:51,683 --> 00:32:55,881
- Am I free to go now?
- I don't think so.

447
00:32:59,090 --> 00:33:02,116
No doubt that Rio
was more important,

448
00:33:02,327 --> 00:33:04,090
much more important
than São Paulo.

449
00:33:04,296 --> 00:33:06,890
But today you can't state that.

450
00:33:07,132 --> 00:33:09,225
But he was a wholehearted
'paulista'...

451
00:33:09,434 --> 00:33:11,766
Who? Sérgio?
No doubt about it.

452
00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:14,837
He was very stubborn about it.

453
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,474
His mother wanted to move to Rio,

454
00:33:17,676 --> 00:33:19,940
but he resisted the idea
out of sheer stubbornness.

455
00:33:20,145 --> 00:33:21,442
He never changed his mind.

456
00:33:21,646 --> 00:33:24,581
When he retired,
I felt like moving to Rio,

457
00:33:24,783 --> 00:33:31,279
but he said, "Frankly, no".
He loved São Paulo.

458
00:33:31,856 --> 00:33:34,051
Sérgio was the curator
of the Paulista Museum,

459
00:33:34,259 --> 00:33:37,285
which is next door to us,
and I had a lot of sympathy for him

460
00:33:37,495 --> 00:33:39,554
and I visited him often.

461
00:33:39,764 --> 00:33:40,890
I learned a lot from him.

462
00:33:41,099 --> 00:33:43,329
I learned a lot about modern art,
for instance.

463
00:33:43,535 --> 00:33:46,470
One day I mentioned dadaism.
Sérgio then pulled a book

464
00:33:46,671 --> 00:33:48,366
from a shelf and gave me
a two hour lecture

465
00:33:48,573 --> 00:33:51,474
on dadaism making any further
inquiries on the subject

466
00:33:51,676 --> 00:33:53,166
unnecessary for me.

467
00:33:53,378 --> 00:33:56,370
What fascinated me most
about Sérgio were his

468
00:33:56,581 --> 00:34:01,018
immense talent and culture and,
essentially,

469
00:34:01,219 --> 00:34:02,914
the way he dealt with them.

470
00:34:03,121 --> 00:34:04,952
Sérgio's house was
a very pleasant place to be.

471
00:34:05,156 --> 00:34:06,487
We didn't go there
for any specific reason.

472
00:34:06,691 --> 00:34:07,919
We just went there,
so we could be there.

473
00:34:08,126 --> 00:34:09,593
Sérgio loved music.

474
00:34:09,794 --> 00:34:12,388
In my opinion,
he knew nothing about it.

475
00:34:12,597 --> 00:34:14,861
Maria Amélia is quite a connoisseur.

476
00:34:15,066 --> 00:34:20,299
She was familiar with all
the ancient 'carioca' composers.

477
00:34:20,505 --> 00:34:23,531
She knew all their songs,
and sang them,

478
00:34:24,242 --> 00:34:26,676
and her daughters
are also all very talented.

479
00:34:26,878 --> 00:34:27,970
Singing, Maria Amélia was a disaster.

480
00:34:28,179 --> 00:34:33,515
She sang in a high-pitched voice.
She sang samba in a soprano key...

481
00:34:36,421 --> 00:34:39,584
It was terrible, but we enjoyed it.

482
00:34:42,594 --> 00:34:45,290
It 's very difficult to comment
on Maria Amélia.

483
00:34:45,497 --> 00:34:49,126
You have to know her...
It 's something difficult to convey,

484
00:34:49,334 --> 00:34:55,034
because she's so intense,
she's so determined...

485
00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:57,674
She is also highly principled
over the right issues,

486
00:34:57,876 --> 00:35:00,003
such as true friendship,
straightforwardness.

487
00:35:00,211 --> 00:35:02,338
So she is a born leader.

488
00:35:02,547 --> 00:35:05,675
Moreover, aside the leadership,
the harshness,

489
00:35:05,884 --> 00:35:08,114
she is remarkably sweet, you see.

490
00:35:08,319 --> 00:35:11,811
You talk to her on the telephone,
and it makes you feel good.

491
00:35:12,023 --> 00:35:17,928
So Sérgio... the smartest thing
he ever did was to marry Maria Amélia.

492
00:35:21,533 --> 00:35:26,197
Sérgio was content at work.
He'd be upset if he had

493
00:35:26,404 --> 00:35:29,737
an appointment that forced him
to leave the house at night.

494
00:35:29,941 --> 00:35:34,105
I, for instance, like to go
to the movies, so I went.

495
00:35:34,312 --> 00:35:36,644
When I got back home he'd say,
I bet the film was lousy.

496
00:35:36,848 --> 00:35:42,548
Actually the film had been good,
but he wished it hadn't been.

497
00:35:42,754 --> 00:35:47,691
But the days he wanted
to chat with his friends

498
00:35:47,892 --> 00:35:50,224
he really enjoyed it.

499
00:35:50,428 --> 00:35:53,329
Our home was quite
a happy home.

500
00:35:53,531 --> 00:35:59,401
We had wonderful friends
and a great time.

501
00:35:59,704 --> 00:36:01,399
In my opinion.

502
00:36:34,506 --> 00:36:38,499
In the early fifties,
we lived in São Paulo,

503
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:40,200
on Hadock Lobo Street,

504
00:36:40,411 --> 00:36:43,244
in a house that today
would be unimaginable.

505
00:36:43,448 --> 00:36:45,973
There was a vacant lot
in the back of the house

506
00:36:46,184 --> 00:36:50,587
facing Augusta Street.

507
00:36:51,389 --> 00:36:54,654
Sometimes a circus
or an amusement park

508
00:36:54,859 --> 00:36:58,454
would be set up there,
and one day an elephant

509
00:36:58,663 --> 00:37:03,225
escaped and came into our yard.

510
00:37:03,434 --> 00:37:05,629
So there was this big commotion,

511
00:37:05,837 --> 00:37:09,000
and daddy was at home working.

512
00:37:09,207 --> 00:37:10,868
I ran to his study and said,

513
00:37:11,075 --> 00:37:13,373
"There's an elephant in our house"!

514
00:37:13,578 --> 00:37:16,240
He was at work, concentrated...

515
00:37:16,447 --> 00:37:18,415
"Just crumple it
and get rid of it",

516
00:37:18,616 --> 00:37:21,380
and just went on typing.

517
00:37:22,854 --> 00:37:25,118
A seminar was going to be held,
and mom couldn't go,

518
00:37:25,323 --> 00:37:27,553
because she'd be in Rio,
so she recommended us to go

519
00:37:27,759 --> 00:37:30,922
since we'd be in São Paulo.

520
00:37:31,129 --> 00:37:36,431
So Sergito, Baía and I went.

521
00:37:36,634 --> 00:37:41,731
After it finished, "What about a drink?
Something to eat? A nice chat?"

522
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:46,104
The post-graduate students
wanted to know

523
00:37:46,311 --> 00:37:50,179
what their professor was like at home,
what he liked to read.

524
00:37:50,648 --> 00:37:53,708
Regarding newspapers,
he'd do the crosswords

525
00:37:53,918 --> 00:37:56,148
and he'd read the horoscope.

526
00:37:56,354 --> 00:37:59,687
"What else he read?"
"He read Little Lulu."

527
00:37:59,891 --> 00:38:05,124
The students were astounded.
"The professor reads Little Lulu!"

528
00:38:05,330 --> 00:38:07,764
He read Little Lulu.
He liked reading Little Lulu...

529
00:38:07,966 --> 00:38:09,365
"Tell us more about him..."

530
00:38:09,567 --> 00:38:12,536
At a certain point
in the conversation,

531
00:38:12,737 --> 00:38:15,262
we mentioned that he smoked grass.

532
00:38:15,473 --> 00:38:17,873
Suddenly there was
this ominous silence.

533
00:38:18,076 --> 00:38:20,772
"The professor smokes grass?!"

534
00:38:20,979 --> 00:38:24,938
He'd always ask me,
when I arrived from Pernambuco,

535
00:38:25,149 --> 00:38:29,984
if I'd brought some of that reefer
that I usually roll up.

536
00:38:31,022 --> 00:38:34,389
And when he died, mom found
in one of his desk drawers...

537
00:38:34,592 --> 00:38:37,026
"I found this among
your fathers belongings,

538
00:38:37,228 --> 00:38:39,924
and by the way it was rolled
it can only be yours."

539
00:38:40,865 --> 00:38:43,732
One thing that amused me
about Sérgio

540
00:38:43,935 --> 00:38:46,904
was that at times
he'd get a little tired,

541
00:38:47,105 --> 00:38:50,006
so he'd decide
to take a little break.

542
00:38:50,208 --> 00:38:54,474
But his break
consisted of reading

543
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:57,239
a Russian novel to nibble at,

544
00:38:57,448 --> 00:39:02,181
an Italian play, English poetry
to refresh his mind,

545
00:39:02,387 --> 00:39:06,517
to refresh his mind
rather than to rest.

546
00:39:06,924 --> 00:39:11,156
What pleased me most
about Sérgio was the...

547
00:39:11,362 --> 00:39:16,857
was his capacity,
his enthusiasm for his work.

548
00:39:52,603 --> 00:39:56,095
I remember that he used
to say that when I was born

549
00:39:56,307 --> 00:39:58,775
I was delivered
in a small wicker basket

550
00:39:58,976 --> 00:40:02,377
garnished with silk,
satin sheets, ribbons,

551
00:40:02,580 --> 00:40:05,674
that little birds were carrying
as he sang a tune.

552
00:40:05,883 --> 00:40:07,646
Maybe I was a little spoiled.

553
00:40:09,253 --> 00:40:13,155
Daddy's study was sacred grounds,
the place he worked,

554
00:40:13,358 --> 00:40:16,054
and it was a preposterous mess,

555
00:40:16,260 --> 00:40:18,490
books and documents
only he could find.

556
00:40:18,696 --> 00:40:23,156
So I can understand his concern,
because he had seven children.

557
00:40:23,368 --> 00:40:26,201
A siege of kids grabbing,
taking his things,

558
00:40:26,404 --> 00:40:29,999
scribbling on his documents,
so it was forbidden to enter his study.

559
00:40:30,208 --> 00:40:36,169
Maybe because I was the quietest,
the most fragile,

560
00:40:36,381 --> 00:40:38,315
I could go in the study.

561
00:40:38,516 --> 00:40:42,316
But this wasn't a personal
privilege, you see.

562
00:40:44,255 --> 00:40:46,849
I remember something amusing
happened in Rio

563
00:40:47,058 --> 00:40:51,995
when daddy took me someplace
in downtown Rio.

564
00:40:52,196 --> 00:40:58,658
I could tell he was enjoying
pampering me.

565
00:40:58,870 --> 00:41:01,532
He took me places and asked me
what I wanted.

566
00:41:01,739 --> 00:41:03,798
If I wanted ice-cream,
if I wanted some sweets,

567
00:41:04,008 --> 00:41:08,001
if this or that, so I felt that
I could abuse him a little.

568
00:41:08,212 --> 00:41:12,410
So I told him my secret,
my most intimate desire.

569
00:41:12,617 --> 00:41:16,610
I was what, ten years old at most.

570
00:41:16,821 --> 00:41:21,451
So I told him what I really
wanted was a bra.

571
00:41:21,659 --> 00:41:24,127
Daddy was quite amused.

572
00:41:24,328 --> 00:41:26,558
Because I saw the ladies with
those marks on their shoulders,

573
00:41:26,764 --> 00:41:28,732
the straps, and it seemed
it was so nice...

574
00:41:28,933 --> 00:41:30,833
So he took me to a store

575
00:41:31,035 --> 00:41:33,560
and talked seriously to a saleswoman
and he was actually having fun.

576
00:41:33,771 --> 00:41:36,706
So the lady came back with
several bras, I tried them on...

577
00:41:36,908 --> 00:41:41,538
We spent half an hour
fooling around, trying on bras,

578
00:41:41,746 --> 00:41:43,771
until we decided
that none would fit me.

579
00:41:43,981 --> 00:41:45,881
So then, he promised me
that as soon as my breasts

580
00:41:46,083 --> 00:41:49,143
would grow a little,
he'd buy me a bra.

581
00:41:50,755 --> 00:41:57,024
I was twelve years old,
but I looked like I was eight.

582
00:41:57,228 --> 00:42:00,356
Daddy would hold
a cigarette pack out to me,

583
00:42:00,565 --> 00:42:02,556
and I'd take one and I'd smoke,
but I didn't inhale.

584
00:42:02,767 --> 00:42:07,363
Because we were
putting on an act.

585
00:42:07,572 --> 00:42:10,097
So people would be...
the ladies would be perplexed,

586
00:42:10,308 --> 00:42:13,607
but they couldn't oppose
Mister Sérgio,

587
00:42:13,811 --> 00:42:18,077
and had no idea how things
worked at our house.

588
00:42:18,583 --> 00:42:21,484
I remember I was saying good-bye
to a boyfriend at the gate,

589
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,086
and suddenly I turned around and I saw
daddy sort of hidden spying on me.

590
00:42:25,289 --> 00:42:26,688
So I said,
"Daddy, what are you doing?

591
00:42:26,891 --> 00:42:29,257
Are you spying on me?".
He was so embarrassed,

592
00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:32,793
he said, "No. It 's not
what you're thinking.

593
00:42:32,997 --> 00:42:37,331
I just wanted to see how
people date nowadays".

594
00:42:40,471 --> 00:42:47,138
He was also interested
in the things I was reading...

595
00:42:47,545 --> 00:42:54,007
So I remember when I started reading
"Grande Sertão Veredas",

596
00:42:54,218 --> 00:42:57,085
He loved "Grande Sertão", you see.

597
00:42:57,288 --> 00:42:59,848
He was happy to know
that I was reading...

598
00:43:00,057 --> 00:43:04,016
that really thick book.
I read slowly.

599
00:43:04,228 --> 00:43:07,254
So he'd barge in the room
every two hours,

600
00:43:07,465 --> 00:43:09,524
took the book out of my hands,
saw what page I was at,

601
00:43:09,734 --> 00:43:11,998
flipped some pages, then flipped
some pages back, lifted his glasses

602
00:43:12,203 --> 00:43:14,262
and then he'd give it back.

603
00:43:14,472 --> 00:43:15,530
He'd do this all the time.

604
00:43:15,740 --> 00:43:20,803
"Daddy, the story's still unfolding,
it 's very slow..."

605
00:43:21,012 --> 00:43:23,503
At a certain point, he couldn't wait
any longer, he said,

606
00:43:23,714 --> 00:43:27,810
"Did you get to the part
where you find out that Diadorim

607
00:43:28,019 --> 00:43:29,577
is actually Diadorinha?"

608
00:43:29,787 --> 00:43:34,121
I almost literally
threw the book at him.

609
00:43:34,492 --> 00:43:38,451
A week before he died,
he was very weak

610
00:43:38,663 --> 00:43:41,689
and pretty much confused.
He couldn't recognize people

611
00:43:41,899 --> 00:43:43,594
or simply forgot...
He'd say, "Zaninha"...

612
00:43:43,801 --> 00:43:47,669
but he couldn't concentrate,
didn't talk much any more.

613
00:43:47,872 --> 00:43:51,603
At a certain moment, mom walked by.

614
00:43:51,809 --> 00:43:55,939
He said, "Zanoquinha, I wouldn't have
accomplished the things I did,

615
00:43:56,147 --> 00:43:59,275
everything I accomplished,
that I wrote, that I accomplished

616
00:43:59,483 --> 00:44:02,646
was with your mother's support,
was thanks to your mother.

617
00:44:02,853 --> 00:44:07,085
She has always assisted me,
since 'Raízes do Brasil'.

618
00:44:07,291 --> 00:44:09,691
I owe her everything".

619
00:44:09,894 --> 00:44:13,591
Mom wasn't aware of this,
but I think he needed

620
00:44:13,798 --> 00:44:20,101
to say what we all knew.
Everyone said that it was mom

621
00:44:20,304 --> 00:44:21,601
who made things possible, that is,
was mom who took care of everything,

622
00:44:21,806 --> 00:44:23,899
so he could work.

623
00:44:24,108 --> 00:44:27,271
But he wanted to say it,
to put it in words.

624
00:44:27,478 --> 00:44:31,209
He wanted to make
this statement,

625
00:44:31,415 --> 00:44:34,612
to put it on record

626
00:44:34,819 --> 00:44:39,916
that it was thanks to mom,
that he owed her everything.

627
00:44:41,292 --> 00:44:46,889
Even in his last days,
Sérgio wanted to work.

628
00:44:47,098 --> 00:44:49,566
My God, I remember that
the night before he died

629
00:44:49,767 --> 00:44:51,860
Maria do Carmo helped me
carry him from his study

630
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:56,506
to his bed, stumbling,
part of the way on a wheel chair.

631
00:44:56,707 --> 00:45:00,268
Maria do Carmo needed
to assist him to get him into bed.

632
00:45:01,112 --> 00:45:05,344
But always working,
insisting on it.

633
00:45:05,549 --> 00:45:10,509
Once, near the end, he was
at his study among his books...

634
00:45:10,721 --> 00:45:13,849
He was very tired already,
he'd take a book, left it aside,

635
00:45:14,058 --> 00:45:19,621
took another... that 's when
he said how nice it would be

636
00:45:19,830 --> 00:45:25,234
if Brazil's history could be written
not according to its leaders,

637
00:45:25,436 --> 00:45:30,271
the people in office,
but according to its people,

638
00:45:30,474 --> 00:45:34,808
to the poor, the destitute,
you see.

639
00:45:35,012 --> 00:45:40,746
Brazil seen, photographed,
if we can use the word that is,

640
00:45:40,951 --> 00:45:45,650
from bottom to top,
from inside out.

641
00:45:46,157 --> 00:45:49,183
Of course a research team
would be required

642
00:45:49,393 --> 00:45:51,918
and plenty of time,
which he didn't have.

643
00:45:52,129 --> 00:45:57,089
But that would be wonderful.
I think so too. Don't you?

644
00:45:57,301 --> 00:46:00,998
At least there's the outline of a project
in case anyone is interested.

645
00:46:01,572 --> 00:46:04,234
I remember the bonfire
of books...

646
00:46:04,442 --> 00:46:09,971
This here is my son Theo,
the youngest great-grandson.

647
00:46:10,581 --> 00:46:14,677
There was this bonfire
of books, useless books.

648
00:46:14,885 --> 00:46:19,015
She'd argue with Pappyotto...
then there was the bonfire.

649
00:46:19,223 --> 00:46:21,885
When I went to his study,
he'd open the door

650
00:46:22,093 --> 00:46:25,790
and it was funny.
I'd say, "Hi, Pappyotto. Hi".

651
00:46:25,996 --> 00:46:28,226
And he'd say, "Helena has arrived.
Lelê is here"!

652
00:46:28,432 --> 00:46:30,900
And I'd say, "No, Pappyotto,
it 's not Lelê. It 's me, Rutinha.

653
00:46:31,102 --> 00:46:32,091
Don't you remember me?"

654
00:46:32,303 --> 00:46:34,134
"No, I'm sure you're Lelê.
Look at that hair",

655
00:46:34,338 --> 00:46:36,738
and he'd caress my hair.
I'd say, "No, no..."

656
00:46:36,941 --> 00:46:42,902
This went on for hours
until I was just about to cry.

657
00:46:43,114 --> 00:46:45,014
Memélia would step in
and say, "Sérgio, cut that out.

658
00:46:45,216 --> 00:46:46,547
Stop hassling the girl..."

659
00:46:46,751 --> 00:46:50,084
I remember that he was quite a joker.

660
00:46:51,222 --> 00:46:55,158
He didn't have a problem
with modern things.

661
00:46:55,359 --> 00:46:58,055
I remember he was one
of the first people I knew

662
00:46:58,262 --> 00:47:00,958
who had purchased one of those
modern electrical typewriters.

663
00:47:01,165 --> 00:47:04,430
As soon as they were marketed,
he purchased one.

664
00:47:04,635 --> 00:47:08,731
Today he'd probably own
a state-of-the-art computer.

665
00:47:08,939 --> 00:47:11,407
"For Rute to read, if she will,
after she's forty,

666
00:47:11,609 --> 00:47:13,702
the same age this old book
is right now,

667
00:47:13,911 --> 00:47:18,348
Sérgio Buarque de Holanda.
July 11th, 1978."

668
00:47:18,649 --> 00:47:22,210
Sérgio was never an activist.
He didn't get involved in

669
00:47:22,419 --> 00:47:27,618
street bombings and such,
but he fought the dictatorship.

670
00:47:27,825 --> 00:47:33,991
First he opposed Getúlio Vargas,
and then things turned for worse.

671
00:47:34,198 --> 00:47:38,999
He'd always take a

672
00:47:39,203 --> 00:47:42,331
liberal, advanced stance.

673
00:47:42,540 --> 00:47:45,600
He was quite enthusiastic when
the Worker's Party was founded...

674
00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:49,746
"Things are getting better",
he'd say.

675
00:47:50,247 --> 00:47:55,150
He filed for retirement when
his colleagues were retired.

676
00:48:01,492 --> 00:48:05,360
We are at a place
I'd say is very adequate

677
00:48:05,563 --> 00:48:07,554
to talk about
Sérgio Buarque de Holanda,

678
00:48:07,765 --> 00:48:11,633
because we are at what was once
the conference room of the

679
00:48:11,836 --> 00:48:14,566
University of São Paulo's Philosophy,
Science and Literature college.

680
00:48:14,772 --> 00:48:20,301
Later it was renamed the Literature
and Human Sciences college.

681
00:48:20,511 --> 00:48:24,277
This is the conference room,
and here, therefore,

682
00:48:24,481 --> 00:48:28,212
Sérgio carried out his duties
as a member of the congregation,

683
00:48:28,419 --> 00:48:29,909
as a professor.

684
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,181
This is where he took
the famous exam to become

685
00:48:35,025 --> 00:48:39,928
professor of History of Brazilian
Civilization in 1958.

686
00:48:41,098 --> 00:48:44,932
Sérgio was a kind
of a highly complex

687
00:48:45,135 --> 00:48:48,161
entity with contrasting
personalities.

688
00:48:48,372 --> 00:48:51,341
He was, for instance,
an erudite scholar

689
00:48:51,542 --> 00:48:53,908
with a disposition
for playing pranks.

690
00:48:54,111 --> 00:48:57,239
He was a fellow of an uncommon
intellectual sternness

691
00:48:57,448 --> 00:49:00,417
and a devout joker.

692
00:49:00,618 --> 00:49:03,985
At a faculty meeting,
for instance,

693
00:49:04,188 --> 00:49:06,918
he'd come up
with some astounding remarks.

694
00:49:07,124 --> 00:49:10,992
He was very conscious,
let 's put it,

695
00:49:11,195 --> 00:49:15,063
of an intellectual's duties
in terms of sternness,

696
00:49:15,266 --> 00:49:18,793
but at the same time
he preserved the qualities

697
00:49:19,003 --> 00:49:21,665
divulged by the 1922
modernist movement.

698
00:49:21,872 --> 00:49:24,136
He was a man shaped
in the atmosphere

699
00:49:24,341 --> 00:49:27,504
of the modern art movement
in such a way that he preserved

700
00:49:27,711 --> 00:49:31,203
the prankishness, the joking...

701
00:49:31,415 --> 00:49:34,851
What the modernists taught
Brazilian literature was

702
00:49:35,386 --> 00:49:37,877
that for a person to be stern doesn't
mean that person has to be sullen.

703
00:49:38,088 --> 00:49:41,421
Sternness is related
to happiness.

704
00:49:44,695 --> 00:49:49,189
He was familiar with English, Italian,
German and French literature,

705
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,302
so you must keep in mind
how refined this man was.

706
00:49:53,504 --> 00:49:56,132
He was the combination
of a magnific erudite

707
00:49:56,340 --> 00:50:02,279
and a happy, unsettled,
nonconventional creature.

708
00:50:02,479 --> 00:50:04,879
Sérgio practically knew
everything there is to know.

709
00:50:05,082 --> 00:50:07,312
He had an enormous
collection of books

710
00:50:07,518 --> 00:50:10,851
and once in a while he renewed
them and gave many away.

711
00:50:11,055 --> 00:50:15,754
Once he gave me 4OO books,
4OO volumes.

712
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,454
I kept 8O or 1OO of them
and gave the university 3OO.

713
00:50:20,664 --> 00:50:24,327
If Sérgio had kept
all the books he bought,

714
00:50:24,635 --> 00:50:27,763
his collection would contain
approximately 4O thousand books.

715
00:50:27,972 --> 00:50:30,372
His final collection contained
ten thousand books.

716
00:50:30,574 --> 00:50:33,566
He possessed that kind
of passion for books

717
00:50:33,777 --> 00:50:35,711
that makes you do
insane things.

718
00:50:35,913 --> 00:50:41,442
What I admire in a book lover
is his ability to do insane things.

719
00:50:41,652 --> 00:50:42,949
Because without the ability
to do insane things,

720
00:50:43,153 --> 00:50:44,745
there is no passion,
as we all know.

721
00:50:44,955 --> 00:50:47,389
Some possess amorous passion,
other have a passion for gambling,

722
00:50:47,591 --> 00:50:51,049
others have a passion for alcohol,
and some for books.

723
00:50:51,261 --> 00:50:52,421
I know this because,
when I was young,

724
00:50:52,629 --> 00:50:55,723
I would default on my rent,
so I could buy books.

725
00:50:55,933 --> 00:50:57,696
Sérgio did the same thing.

726
00:50:57,901 --> 00:51:00,461
I'm not sure if I'm about
to commit an indiscretion,

727
00:51:00,671 --> 00:51:03,265
but it 's been so long
that I think I can tell it.

728
00:51:03,474 --> 00:51:05,271
Maria Amélia would become
a bit desperate,

729
00:51:05,476 --> 00:51:07,944
because they had so many children
and were making little money

730
00:51:08,145 --> 00:51:10,409
and Sérgio was buying books
in English, in German...

731
00:51:10,614 --> 00:51:13,242
So what he did was...
He lived on Hadock Lobo Street

732
00:51:13,450 --> 00:51:18,080
and he had this famous maid,
Nanny, at the house.

733
00:51:18,288 --> 00:51:20,688
So what Sérgio did,
he had this scheme with Nanny,

734
00:51:20,891 --> 00:51:24,827
when he'd arrive at home, he'd walk
down the driveway to the kitchen door

735
00:51:25,029 --> 00:51:28,021
and handed Nanny the books.
Nanny hid the books,

736
00:51:28,232 --> 00:51:30,325
then Sérgio would walk to the
front door and rang the doorbell.

737
00:51:30,534 --> 00:51:31,796
Maria Amélia opened the door,
he'd walk in,

738
00:51:32,002 --> 00:51:35,631
she saw that he hadn't bought
any books, so she was relieved.

739
00:51:36,306 --> 00:51:39,139
I think that in terms of a profile
of Sérgio Buarque,

740
00:51:39,343 --> 00:51:41,106
we've covered a lot.
Now,

741
00:51:41,311 --> 00:51:44,838
there's a final statement I must make,
not less important,

742
00:51:45,049 --> 00:51:48,075
which is to mention the importance
of Maria Amélia in his life.

743
00:51:48,285 --> 00:51:51,379
Maria Amélia was...
I think that without Maria Amélia

744
00:51:51,588 --> 00:51:54,955
Sérgio Buarque would not have been
quite the man he was.

745
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:59,994
Maria Amélia took care
not only of Sérgio's household,

746
00:52:00,197 --> 00:52:02,392
but she was also
his collaborator.

747
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:04,760
Maria Amélia did most
of the research with him.

748
00:52:04,968 --> 00:52:06,868
She is a very bright woman,
very cultured

749
00:52:07,071 --> 00:52:08,936
and very knowledgeable
of these matters.

750
00:52:09,139 --> 00:52:14,668
For instance, once she went with him
to Cuiabá to do research in Cuiabá.

751
00:52:14,878 --> 00:52:19,440
Once they got in a VW
they owned, and she drove it

752
00:52:19,650 --> 00:52:21,880
all the way to Assunción,
in Paraguay.

753
00:52:22,086 --> 00:52:23,178
At the time that was an adventure.

754
00:52:23,387 --> 00:52:26,288
You didn't have highways
like you have today.

755
00:52:26,490 --> 00:52:28,856
She went all the way
to Assunción to do research.

756
00:52:29,059 --> 00:52:32,893
So she collaborated with Sérgio,
researched documents, took notes...

757
00:52:33,097 --> 00:52:34,564
Therefore, I think
that Maria Amélia,

758
00:52:34,765 --> 00:52:38,462
as a wife and as an intellectual
collaborator,

759
00:52:38,669 --> 00:52:43,163
she made things possible for Sérgio
to accomplish his achievements.

760
00:52:43,373 --> 00:52:47,241
I cannot conceive Sérgio Buarque
de Holanda without Maria Amélia.

761
00:52:52,716 --> 00:52:56,482
Everyone in my family
was nonconventional.

762
00:52:56,687 --> 00:53:00,418
No one ever lied at our home.

763
00:53:00,624 --> 00:53:03,787
Sometimes there were arguments,
but no lies.

764
00:53:03,994 --> 00:53:09,432
Each one had their friends,
their way of life.

765
00:53:09,633 --> 00:53:14,263
At our home, I think you were
all quite independent.

766
00:53:14,471 --> 00:53:18,202
No one tried to convince the other
to root for this or that soccer team.

767
00:53:18,408 --> 00:53:22,003
Certain things
we actually despised,

768
00:53:22,446 --> 00:53:24,846
like being snobbish, you see.

769
00:54:34,751 --> 00:54:38,209
This is the cemetery in Paquetá

770
00:54:38,422 --> 00:54:42,358
and, beyond this wall,
is the "Passarinho" cemetery.

771
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:44,720
It 's inadequate
to shoot this here,

772
00:54:44,928 --> 00:54:49,126
because daddy
dreaded dying.

773
00:54:49,333 --> 00:54:51,824
Once this fellow
came by our house

774
00:54:52,035 --> 00:54:56,369
to sell us a grave.

775
00:54:56,573 --> 00:55:00,532
The cemetery was very nice,
very peaceful, with many trees...

776
00:55:00,744 --> 00:55:03,975
And daddy dreaded dying,
he dreaded it,

777
00:55:04,181 --> 00:55:07,708
so he kicked the guy
out of the house really fast.

778
00:55:07,918 --> 00:55:09,442
"I'm not gonna die!"

779
00:55:19,029 --> 00:55:23,966
Daddy had this obsession,
he would never wear brown clothes.

780
00:55:24,167 --> 00:55:27,762
I guess he felt like
he was wearing a coffin.

781
00:55:27,971 --> 00:55:30,769
There was no way
he'd put on brown clothes.

782
00:55:30,974 --> 00:55:34,410
It was one of his obsessions.
He said it was bad luck.

783
00:55:34,611 --> 00:55:35,873
Another thing
he thought was bad luck

784
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:38,843
was the number of cigarettes
in the pack.

785
00:55:39,049 --> 00:55:42,712
When it got down to 13,
he'd take one out,

786
00:55:42,919 --> 00:55:45,183
so that there
would never be 13 in the pack.

787
00:56:00,971 --> 00:56:02,905
I remember that he enjoyed music.

788
00:56:03,106 --> 00:56:06,906
He liked Ismael Silva,

789
00:56:07,110 --> 00:56:10,273
whom he met personally.

790
00:56:10,681 --> 00:56:13,673
He enjoyed music,
but he didn't listen to it a lot.

791
00:56:13,884 --> 00:56:16,079
He enjoyed it most when
we were playing and singing,

792
00:56:16,286 --> 00:56:18,516
he'd ask us to sing
some songs.

793
00:56:18,722 --> 00:56:24,024
One song he liked especially
was "Acalanto", by Caymmi.

794
00:56:24,227 --> 00:56:27,253
Sometimes he'd ask us to sing
a song to lull him to sleep.

795
00:56:27,464 --> 00:56:33,460
He called it chant. Music,
in general, he called chant.

796
00:56:48,418 --> 00:56:50,909
Did he enjoy the fact that
his son was a composer

797
00:56:51,121 --> 00:56:52,145
and that his daughters
were singers?

798
00:56:52,356 --> 00:56:58,158
Yes, he did. He enjoyed music
and he approved it.

799
00:56:58,695 --> 00:57:01,027
He was proud of us.

800
00:57:07,037 --> 00:57:10,029
This was one of my grandfather's
great passions,

801
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:14,108
a collection of books
he purchased

802
00:57:14,311 --> 00:57:18,645
throughout his entire life,
in his trips, in book stores,

803
00:57:18,849 --> 00:57:22,285
secondhand book stores,
mainly in São Paulo.

804
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:25,244
This collection of books
is housed at UNICAMP,

805
00:57:25,455 --> 00:57:28,788
at the central library building.

806
00:57:28,992 --> 00:57:32,689
These are the things
that were in his study.

807
00:57:32,896 --> 00:57:35,091
He wrote "Raízes do Brasil"
on that typewriter.

808
00:57:35,298 --> 00:57:39,200
From what I remember, he wasn't as
organized as the way things are here.

809
00:57:41,271 --> 00:57:44,934
I have another recollection
of us watching a soccer game

810
00:57:45,142 --> 00:57:48,134
in a room with a round table,
the dining room.

811
00:57:48,345 --> 00:57:50,813
The whole family was there.
Pappyotto, quite aged,

812
00:57:51,014 --> 00:57:52,538
sitting in a wheel chair...

813
00:57:52,749 --> 00:57:54,683
Brazil was playing
a team in red jerseys,

814
00:57:54,885 --> 00:57:57,649
probably Poland or Chile,
and he was taunting us,

815
00:57:57,854 --> 00:58:02,382
since he was dressed in red,
that he was rooting against Brazil.

816
00:58:02,592 --> 00:58:05,390
I thought that was strange.
I thought he was weird.

817
00:58:05,595 --> 00:58:08,325
He frightened me because
he rooted against Brazil.

818
00:58:08,532 --> 00:58:11,194
I feared him because
of these attitudes of his.

819
00:58:12,969 --> 00:58:17,269
I remember that one day I said to Dad
that I wanted to know more

820
00:58:17,474 --> 00:58:19,669
about this book, "Raízes do Brasil",
that we had at home.

821
00:58:19,876 --> 00:58:22,970
Then he said,
"That 's a book for grown-ups.

822
00:58:23,180 --> 00:58:26,149
When you grow up, when you're
mature enough, you'll read it".

823
00:58:26,349 --> 00:58:29,978
But I wanted to prove myself,
so I read it anyway.

824
00:58:30,187 --> 00:58:33,918
So I remember
that I read a little bit

825
00:58:34,124 --> 00:58:37,855
and left it aside.

826
00:58:38,128 --> 00:58:42,861
The truth is you end up maturing
so at a certain point

827
00:58:43,066 --> 00:58:47,901
in your youth and you gain
interest, which occurred to me

828
00:58:48,104 --> 00:58:51,870
when I studied Human Sciences
and was introduced to the book.

829
00:58:52,075 --> 00:58:54,339
Not only to "Raízes do Brasil",
but also

830
00:58:54,544 --> 00:58:59,345
to other works focusing on Brazil.

831
00:58:59,549 --> 00:59:04,816
We played table soccer,
the players in different colors...

832
00:59:05,021 --> 00:59:08,047
We pretended it was the soccer
field at the stadium.

833
00:59:08,258 --> 00:59:11,159
We played table soccer there until
Pappyotto walked down the stairs

834
00:59:11,361 --> 00:59:15,923
and started barking at us.
I'd run away scared to death.

835
00:59:16,132 --> 00:59:19,795
The dedication on my copy
of "Raízes do Brasil" says

836
00:59:20,003 --> 00:59:23,439
I should read it when I overcome
my fear of the dog.

837
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,234
I remember him
walking down the stairs

838
00:59:26,443 --> 00:59:30,004
and hitting us on the head
with his cane.

839
00:59:31,114 --> 00:59:33,810
I remember there was this shelf
that was forbidden to us.

840
00:59:34,017 --> 00:59:38,454
It was the highest shelf, where all
of Pappyotto's books were stored.

841
00:59:38,655 --> 00:59:41,852
- At Buri Street?
- Not at Buri Street, at our house.

842
00:59:42,058 --> 00:59:45,425
Each one of us had a copy.

843
00:59:48,765 --> 00:59:50,426
So there was that person,
almost inaccessible,

844
00:59:50,634 --> 00:59:53,330
Professor Sérgio Buarque de Holanda,
a very stern man...

845
00:59:53,537 --> 00:59:56,995
And daddy talked about the books
he wrote, "Because your grandpa..."

846
00:59:57,207 --> 01:00:00,176
I thought they were highly complex,
inaccessible, that I could never grasp.

847
01:00:00,377 --> 01:00:02,402
That and the physical image
I made of him

848
01:00:02,612 --> 01:00:04,671
based on a picture of him
we had at home of Pappyotto

849
01:00:04,881 --> 01:00:07,873
wearing this funny wig
and smoking a cigar...

850
01:00:08,084 --> 01:00:11,417
A hilarious picture. The combination
of that reckless image of him

851
01:00:11,621 --> 01:00:14,351
and that completely somber figure.

852
01:00:14,558 --> 01:00:16,924
It was funny because
then I gradually built

853
01:00:17,127 --> 01:00:20,790
an image of him that
conveyed both sides.

854
01:00:22,866 --> 01:00:25,892
We are always remembering
incidents with Pappyotto.

855
01:00:26,102 --> 01:00:28,935
There are many funny incidents,

856
01:00:29,139 --> 01:00:33,542
so I'm not sure if it 's a recollection
or if I'm fantasizing

857
01:00:33,743 --> 01:00:37,042
from hearing those incidents.

858
01:01:18,989 --> 01:01:24,222
We could care less
for social rules.

859
01:01:25,362 --> 01:01:30,595
But I have always cherished

860
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,563
family bonds.

861
01:01:32,769 --> 01:01:36,671
I don't know if you will keep
them tied... we'll see.

862
01:01:36,873 --> 01:01:39,398
I have the impression
that you will.

863
01:01:39,709 --> 01:01:44,703
I think Sérgio wasn't aware,
he didn't talk to his kids very much,

864
01:01:45,048 --> 01:01:50,008
but he posed a lot of influence
in his family life.

865
01:01:50,220 --> 01:01:54,520
I notice this even now,
and I hope he will influence

866
01:01:54,724 --> 01:01:57,192
his great-grandchildren as well.

867
01:02:45,942 --> 01:02:50,072
The early years are shady,
I lived there until I was four.

868
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,875
I came to São Paulo
in March of 1946

869
01:02:54,084 --> 01:02:56,018
and I was born
in January, 1942.

870
01:02:56,219 --> 01:03:00,349
He'd tell me this thing that I really
loved, that his job was fixing buses.

871
01:03:00,557 --> 01:03:04,550
I thought it was one of the most
important professions there could be.

872
01:03:04,761 --> 01:03:06,820
My room was at the end
of this apartment,

873
01:03:07,030 --> 01:03:09,089
where the balcony is,
it was large.

874
01:03:09,299 --> 01:03:13,793
It was modified, so you can't
evaluate very well,

875
01:03:14,003 --> 01:03:16,471
I'd wait to see him take the bus,
then I'd run real fast to the other end

876
01:03:16,673 --> 01:03:22,134
to see if I could see him,
but most of the times I didn't make it.

877
01:03:22,345 --> 01:03:25,542
So there was all this admiration.
I didn't know where he was about,

878
01:03:25,749 --> 01:03:29,378
but I had this image
of him fixing buses.

879
01:03:29,586 --> 01:03:31,986
It was awesome.

880
01:03:32,188 --> 01:03:34,588
Probably during that period
I may have had closer contact

881
01:03:34,791 --> 01:03:36,656
with my father, when I was four,
five years old,

882
01:03:36,860 --> 01:03:38,327
than my older brother
and sisters.

883
01:03:38,528 --> 01:03:42,589
I can't state that for a fact,
but it 's probable.

884
01:03:43,133 --> 01:03:44,930
It was a period of three,
four years...

885
01:03:45,135 --> 01:03:50,232
and later I was burdened
because of that.

886
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,198
We spent two years in Italy...

887
01:03:52,542 --> 01:03:55,875
and my father didn't care
too much for cinema,

888
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:58,912
perhaps because he smoked,
even though I think

889
01:03:59,115 --> 01:04:01,811
you were allowed to smoke
inside the theaters in Rome.

890
01:04:02,018 --> 01:04:05,920
Once he insisted we saw a film,

891
01:04:06,122 --> 01:04:07,919
"This film you have to watch"...

892
01:04:08,124 --> 01:04:11,890
It was a film called
"II Magnifico Scherzzo".

893
01:04:12,095 --> 01:04:14,791
But we wanted
to watch adventure,

894
01:04:14,998 --> 01:04:18,957
war, and cowboy movies,

895
01:04:19,169 --> 01:04:22,400
and Dad insisted we watched
"II Magnifico Scherzzo",

896
01:04:22,605 --> 01:04:25,301
which was one of Marilin Monroe's
first appearances in films.

897
01:04:25,508 --> 01:04:29,501
It isn't a great film and I think
it was directed by Howard Hawks.

898
01:04:29,979 --> 01:04:33,380
In Brazil it was called
"O Inventor da Mocidade".

899
01:04:33,583 --> 01:04:36,450
Cinema was just
a kind of a topic.

900
01:04:36,653 --> 01:04:42,057
Literature came later, he didn't worry
about it too much in Rome.

901
01:04:42,258 --> 01:04:45,318
But when we came back to Brazil,
he'd ask us to read things like

902
01:04:45,528 --> 01:04:49,760
"Grande Sertão Veredas".
He didn't ask us to read

903
01:04:49,966 --> 01:04:54,027
"Sagarana" or easier books.
He gave us the hard stuff.

904
01:04:55,772 --> 01:05:00,209
One peculiar thing about Dad
was that although he spent

905
01:05:00,410 --> 01:05:03,902
his days in his study at work,
he never closed the door.

906
01:05:04,113 --> 01:05:06,980
He always wanted to know
what was going on in the house.

907
01:05:07,183 --> 01:05:08,411
He wanted to know
what was going on,

908
01:05:08,618 --> 01:05:13,214
but he didn't like noise
disturbing his work.

909
01:05:13,923 --> 01:05:15,220
It was a problem because
sometimes we wanted

910
01:05:15,425 --> 01:05:21,853
to hear some music, to chat...
and that would disturb him.

911
01:05:22,065 --> 01:05:24,090
He seldom discussed
any serious matters with us.

912
01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:25,824
He was mostly joking.
Only once in a while

913
01:05:26,035 --> 01:05:29,471
we discussed serious matters,
but not often.

914
01:05:29,672 --> 01:05:34,109
He only started taking us seriously
after we were 2O or so.

915
01:05:34,310 --> 01:05:37,211
Sometimes I didn't know
how he did it.

916
01:05:37,413 --> 01:05:41,076
He had this Caldas Aulete
and other dictionaries.

917
01:05:41,284 --> 01:05:43,752
The Caldas Aulete
was five volumes.

918
01:05:43,953 --> 01:05:47,354
Sometimes, I'd ask him about
a specific word and he'd say,

919
01:05:47,557 --> 01:05:52,688
"Look it up in the Caldas Aulete,
after this word and before that word".

920
01:05:52,896 --> 01:05:58,425
I looked it up and sometimes
he was right.

921
01:05:58,635 --> 01:06:01,900
He wasn't right all the time,
but sometimes he was,

922
01:06:02,105 --> 01:06:04,505
and I asked myself
how could he know

923
01:06:04,707 --> 01:06:06,971
the exact location of a word
in a 5 volume dictionary

924
01:06:07,176 --> 01:06:08,404
like the Caldas Aulete.

925
01:06:08,611 --> 01:06:12,308
But sometimes he just guessed
and sometimes he was right.

926
01:06:12,949 --> 01:06:17,909
He was kind of absent-minded.
I remember I went to Manaus once.

927
01:06:18,121 --> 01:06:21,613
The trip took about a month.

928
01:06:21,824 --> 01:06:26,784
I said goodbye to him
as usual and left.

929
01:06:27,330 --> 01:06:30,265
What I heard, and this may
not be accurate,

930
01:06:30,466 --> 01:06:32,161
what I heard is that two weeks
or so after I was gone,

931
01:06:32,368 --> 01:06:36,600
at lunch or at dinner he says,
"ÁIvaro hasn't showed up lately".

932
01:06:36,806 --> 01:06:38,569
I'd said my good-byes,
and he didn't seem too...

933
01:06:38,775 --> 01:06:40,868
he didn't pay too much attention
to that kind of thing.

934
01:06:45,915 --> 01:06:47,280
Every time he drank
a little too much,

935
01:06:47,483 --> 01:06:49,849
he'd loosen up and he'd start
speaking in German.

936
01:06:50,053 --> 01:06:56,117
I think before he went to Germany,
he was quieter

937
01:06:56,326 --> 01:06:58,692
and he started leading a more
bohemian life in that period,

938
01:06:58,895 --> 01:07:02,160
when he was
about 28 years old.

939
01:07:02,365 --> 01:07:05,630
Whenever he was a little happier,
he'd start singing in German.

940
01:07:05,835 --> 01:07:08,702
He sang totally off key.

941
01:07:09,072 --> 01:07:11,540
Let 's get a cold beer.

942
01:08:53,709 --> 01:08:56,143
Come here. Look,
I'm singing for you.

943
01:08:56,345 --> 01:09:00,304
Cacá, Cacá, stop...
stop crying.

944
01:09:00,516 --> 01:09:04,452
Cacá, Cacá, stop...
stop crying.

945
01:09:04,654 --> 01:09:08,317
Want to sit here by Aunt Bel?

946
01:09:08,524 --> 01:09:11,618
So we can talk about Pappyotto?
OK. So let 's get on with it.

947
01:09:11,928 --> 01:09:14,795
He became... I don't know,
a combination of a father

948
01:09:14,997 --> 01:09:20,663
and an older brother.
I'm not sure what he was to me.

949
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:22,770
Mainly because he had
this obsession of saying

950
01:09:22,972 --> 01:09:25,099
that I was his grandmother,
to begin with,

951
01:09:25,308 --> 01:09:26,866
which made me furious.

952
01:09:27,076 --> 01:09:29,909
And I'd say, "Don't say that
in front of strangers"!

953
01:09:30,113 --> 01:09:33,412
I was worried about conveying
a straight image.

954
01:09:33,616 --> 01:09:38,553
Memélia would always
take me to school.

955
01:09:38,754 --> 01:09:40,381
Sometimes Pappyotto came along.

956
01:09:40,590 --> 01:09:43,058
And when we stopped
in traffic in São Paulo...

957
01:09:43,259 --> 01:09:45,523
He'd stop at a red light
and ask the guy in the car

958
01:09:45,728 --> 01:09:48,390
next to us, "Did you know
that the girl in the back seat

959
01:09:48,598 --> 01:09:54,127
is my grandmother?".
So I tried to hide myself.

960
01:09:54,337 --> 01:09:57,773
"How can you do this to me,
Pappyotto?" And he got even funnier.

961
01:09:57,974 --> 01:10:01,273
Sometimes we argued,
and Memélia would get upset.

962
01:10:01,477 --> 01:10:04,469
It happened several times.

963
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:09,242
Until one time Memélia stopped
the car and said,

964
01:10:09,452 --> 01:10:15,322
"If you don't stop this argument,
I'll kick you both out of the car,

965
01:10:15,525 --> 01:10:17,493
because this is intolerable".

966
01:10:17,693 --> 01:10:22,221
"Pappyotto," I'm not sure when
I gave him that nickname,

967
01:10:22,431 --> 01:10:28,131
if it was in New York or in Mexico,
but I think it was in Mexico.

968
01:10:28,337 --> 01:10:31,773
I called dad "Papi",
and he was the "other Papi",

969
01:10:31,974 --> 01:10:34,465
the other daddy, "Pappyotto".

970
01:10:34,677 --> 01:10:41,207
He signed P-A-P-P-Y-O-T-T-O.

971
01:10:41,817 --> 01:10:46,345
We played different games,
one of which was

972
01:10:46,556 --> 01:10:49,354
Little Red Riding Hood and the Big
Bad Wolf, which we played here

973
01:10:49,559 --> 01:10:52,426
out front in the square when
I managed to take him outside.

974
01:10:52,628 --> 01:10:57,429
There was this tree that I...
it 's not there anymore.

975
01:10:57,633 --> 01:11:02,297
I played the wolf and he was
Little Red Riding Hood.

976
01:11:02,505 --> 01:11:04,302
He loved it. He didn't have
a problem with that.

977
01:11:04,507 --> 01:11:06,099
He was wonderful.
I chased him around...

978
01:11:06,976 --> 01:11:09,672
Pappyotto was a superb
grandfather

979
01:11:09,879 --> 01:11:11,073
and I think I was very lucky
to have him.

980
01:11:11,681 --> 01:11:15,276
I practically didn't know
my grandparents on my father's side,

981
01:11:15,484 --> 01:11:17,952
but I was very close

982
01:11:18,154 --> 01:11:19,621
to my grandparents
on my mother's side...

983
01:11:22,115 --> 01:11:24,675
I'm not gonna cry because
this isn't the time or place...

984
01:11:24,884 --> 01:11:28,513
This is a daughter thing...

985
01:11:28,721 --> 01:11:33,420
Memélia, when she talked to me,
she would refer to him as my father.

986
01:11:33,626 --> 01:11:36,060
She never referred to him as
"Pappyotto, your grandfather".

987
01:11:36,262 --> 01:11:41,165
It was, "Your Dad..."
So I was like a daughter to him.

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